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Author Topic: Brahms the Allusionist  (Read 1931 times)
Reiner Torheit
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« on: 16:30:28, 22-01-2008 »

A short piece in the Washington Post by Anne Midgette, about the difficulties of dealing with Brahms.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/21/AR2008012102394.html
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« Reply #1 on: 16:56:44, 22-01-2008 »

What a lot of rot that American lady writes! It is almost amusing to persons of true culture. But she - aware of her ignorance at least - would do better to tackle some simpler and more suitable composer would not she?
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« Reply #2 on: 17:02:14, 22-01-2008 »

"in these intense perforations"

Should that f really be there?
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« Reply #3 on: 17:53:02, 22-01-2008 »

Ms Midgette - true to her name - comes up with this starter:

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Johannes Brahms is an elusive figure. He is the quintessential 19th-century romantic composer, yet in his day he represented a reactionary return to classicism.

Surely by "romantic" she means "Romantic"? Was he the (as opposed to a) "quintessential 19th-c composer"? In what sense did he represent a "return to classicism", as opposed to merely continuing along well-worn classical pathways (like other composers did, such as Schubert and Schumann)? Furthermore, is the view that he was somehow "reactionary" one that existed "in his day", or merely one that has been contrived by later observers?

It is quite surprising, when one thinks of it, how utterly barren (and disinformative) an otherwise apparently pregnant opening sentence can be!

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« Reply #4 on: 20:10:05, 22-01-2008 »

Furthermore, is the view that he was somehow "reactionary" one that existed "in his day", or merely one that has been contrived by later observers?
It certainly existed in his day, and was widely propagated by Wagnerites and denizens of the Neue Zeitschrift.

The article is utter cack for the most part, however.
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« Reply #5 on: 20:12:35, 22-01-2008 »


Surely by "romantic" she means "Romantic"? Was he the (as opposed to a) "quintessential 19th-c composer"? In what sense did he represent a "return to classicism", as opposed to merely continuing along well-worn classical pathways (like other composers did, such as Schubert and Schumann)? Furthermore, is the view that he was somehow "reactionary" one that existed "in his day", or merely one that has been contrived by later observers?

The answer to the first question above would be known only - if it is not presumptuous to mention it - by Clara Schumann.

As far as a "return to classicism", this rather assumes that it existed in the first place?  Perhaps she is on about that red herring of Brahms's alleged indebtedness to Schutz, Bach and others... which is not "classical" of course, but represents a solid and respectable continuum of work, at least.  

But "reactionary" he most certainly was, surely?  The hissy fits about Wagner's music, the conscious re-use of chorale-motifs to hammer-home a correctness of German sensibility rooted in "old traditions" he abrogated willy-nilly?  This stubborn streak of undiluted nationalism in his music is what I find least digestible, and most suspect about Brahms.
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« Reply #6 on: 20:13:24, 22-01-2008 »

The article is utter cack for the most part, however.

Agreed.
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« Reply #7 on: 20:22:27, 22-01-2008 »

Shurely "Brahms the Illusionist"?

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« Reply #8 on: 20:23:34, 22-01-2008 »

The article is utter cack for the most part, however.

Agreed.

I'm having to pinch myself here. Maybe I just dreamt it ...
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« Reply #9 on: 20:31:00, 22-01-2008 »

 Opi   Grin  Grin  Grin
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« Reply #10 on: 20:37:57, 22-01-2008 »

Shurely "Brahms the Illusionist"?



I went to the doctor. He said 'you've got a very serious illness'.
I said 'I want a second opinion'.
He said 'all right, you're ugly as well'.
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« Reply #11 on: 20:41:21, 22-01-2008 »

I went to the doctor. He said 'you've got a very serious illness'.
I said 'I want a second opinion'.
He said 'all right, you're ugly as well'.


Cheesy      Cheesy      Cheesy
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« Reply #12 on: 20:48:20, 22-01-2008 »

Ah yes, wise words from the great Thomas Fassbänder... Wink
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« Reply #13 on: 20:48:31, 22-01-2008 »

Shurely "Brahms the Illusionist"?



I felt like going for a swim so I phoned up the local swimming pool.

"'Hello", I said, "Is that the local swimming pool?"

She said, "It depends where you're calling from."
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« Reply #14 on: 20:50:58, 22-01-2008 »




I went up into the attic and found a Stradivarius and a Rembrandt.
Unfortunately Stradivarius was a terrible painter and Rembrandt made lousy violins.


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