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Author Topic: The most constructive way to listen  (Read 2182 times)
eruanto
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« on: 22:15:32, 04-07-2007 »

So, I have lots of CDs falling through Mr. Postman's arms at the moment, and I was wondering:

What is the best way to quickly get to know a piece on CD that you don't know and have just bought for a new adventure? How does one prevent their mind from wandering (especially the first few times through)?


Try and get hands on the score, maybe??
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« Reply #1 on: 22:38:24, 04-07-2007 »

I'm sure there are as many ways to listen constructively as there are constructive listeners (Ed: There goes t_i_n heading for Pseuds' Corner again), but just a couple of brief thoughts:

I think the danger you have to watch out for if you're setting out to 'get to know something' quickly (rather than just, ooh, you know, listen and enjoy it, that kind of thing ...) is that a lot of the strategies you're likely to come up with are liable to fix the piece in your short-term memory rather than your long-term memory.

For the latter, associations that link your hearing of the piece with the other four senses do help, I tend to find. Getting your hands on the score, either to follow while listening or to bash through on a piano, is one way: not so much because 'you have to see the score to really understand a piece' but more because it relates the temporally rather elusive experience of listening with your faculty of memory of a rather more fixed, visual object.

Someone once said to me something that seemed surprisingly profound about how you remember music much better if you've listened to it on a journey - I think there's something in that too ...
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« Reply #2 on: 23:00:40, 04-07-2007 »

Someone once said to me something that seemed surprisingly profound about how you remember music much better if you've listened to it on a journey - I think there's something in that too ...

Was that me, t? If it wasn't, it should have been, I agree so much. Weird, but true - at least for me.
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« Reply #3 on: 23:27:14, 04-07-2007 »

A related thread...

http://r3ok.myforum365.com/index.php?topic=554.0
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eruanto
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« Reply #4 on: 23:35:17, 04-07-2007 »

Someone once said to me something that seemed surprisingly profound about how you remember music much better if you've listened to it on a journey - I think there's something in that too ...

It must be something to do with association - the varying scenery means that the mind associates bits of music with mental images, perhaps?

I can remember being told in some distant exam revision day Roll Eyes that to make sure things go into long-term memory one has to keep doing top-ups. That's not so much use with music though - trying to "top-up" on such as the last movement of Mahler 6 would be very time-consuming!

rm - bugler! Still slightly different takes on the issue at a pinch though? Maybe?  Smiley
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« Reply #5 on: 23:49:27, 04-07-2007 »

On Thursdays I tend to drive into work doing the first broadcast of In Our Time and drive back (different route) during the repeat (if I can be bothered to listen again). It's strange how Melv's dulcet tones are linked with this corner, that junction, those traffic lights...

I have had the odd experience of experiencing a long drive eg M6, M5, M4 like the movements of some particularly monotonous symphony - and occasionally a listening experience feels like a particularly monotonous journey...
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« Reply #6 on: 12:23:50, 24-07-2007 »

I used to listen with a score,as think that's the best way to learn about the insides of a compositon. How many people listening only, would be aware of Beethoven's fascinating antics with the first horn's crooks in the 'Eroica'? Learning what he does and why he did it,adds a level to one's enjoyment, I think.

My attention does wander,and I am often tempted to read while listening,but that's fatal to listening,I find. So I sometimes look at books of paintings or historical railway photographs,another passion of mine,as I find that doesn't conflict with listening.
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« Reply #7 on: 12:38:01, 24-07-2007 »

I find it more and more difficult just to listen, without distraction, mind-wandering, just having a quick click on R3OK to see if anyone's posted anything interesting, all that sort of thing. I find myself more than ever needing the score just to focus. At the same time there's a certain kind of listening which the score hinders - when I was discovering them for the first time I couldn't find my way into Bruckner or Wagner until I managed to get my head out of the score. I confess I'm not entirely pleased with the way I listen nowadays - I'm not moaning about the distractions of modern life or any of that, just that I find focussing harder and harder to do. Ah, excuse me, an SMS has just come in, must attend to it.
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« Reply #8 on: 13:01:22, 24-07-2007 »

This thread is depressing. It's hard to escape the notion that there's way too much music in the world, and no way I'll ever really get to know very much of it, let alone enjoy it. What the hell am I doing composing?

I share Ollie's experience of having an increasingly difficult time concentrating on new musical experiences (though he probably means only recordings), yet there is a professional conceit I carry around that says my ears are more open, my ideas are more fresh, than those of the listening public whom I serve; and that I have something to share with them.

It's not about the modern world and excess, more about being burnt out myself, and/or not being able to maintain the concentration levels of ten years ago. Back then, my ideas did seem fresh, and perhaps the emphasis needs to be on the word "seem."

What's the antidote? I'm certainly not in a position to simply "take a break" from music.

Does anyone else have thoughts on this? I am not looking to commiserate, but to find solutions.
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« Reply #9 on: 13:06:23, 24-07-2007 »

This thread is depressing. It's hard to escape the notion that there's way too much music in the world, and no way I'll ever really get to know very much of it, let alone enjoy it. What the hell am I doing composing?
One reason for composing is that there's music you want to hear which doesn't (yet) exist, right? - and if you, as a listening person, want to hear it then there's a good chance that other listening people will too.

Apart from which:

CD, you have a very small child, if I'm not mistaken; therefore you can't really extrapolate your present powers of concentration into a more generalised phenomenon. And Ollie, you do spend a significant proportion of your time working on music you aren't that interested in, which might indicate that when you aren't your ears might need a rest (and your brain might need the light but refreshing exercise afforded by interaction with your r3ok friends).
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« Reply #10 on: 13:16:04, 24-07-2007 »

I'd rather face this without any easy-outs, so: this problem is more than three months old, or a year for that matter. And yes: My motivation for composing is as you describe: to create what I imagine that does not yet exist.

Reading my post again, I see it looks a little too personal. I did not mean to look so bleak. It should be about more people's experiences than mine.
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« Reply #11 on: 13:39:10, 24-07-2007 »

My new disks go straight onto the MP3-player, and I carry them around and listen to them both complete and by movement.  I am not sure scores are really essential to concentrated listening - in fact they can often become a distraction from the music (rather than just the dots)?   If there are some sleevenotes by the composer, or the conductor, these can often be revealing too, and worth a read.  I often try - on the 3rd or 4th hearing - to jot-down some of the most important motivic material, the stuff that makes it all tick?  This can prompt you into making decisions about what seems to be primary, secondary, etc in the piece, and leads on into active listening...
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« Reply #12 on: 20:09:38, 24-07-2007 »

My own way of listening is probably idiotically simple: shut eyes and listen. I let my mind suggest images to match the music, or in some cases focus on the contribution of a single voice within the music. I prefer not to be doing something else when I listen although I have been known to listen and paint / eat (never so far listen and eat paint)
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« Reply #13 on: 20:15:38, 24-07-2007 »

I'm certainly not in a position to simply "take a break" from music.


I took an eight year break from music.  It was the best decision I ever made.  I came back to it with an entirely different attitude, and I am now grateful and appreciative of everything I hear. 
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« Reply #14 on: 21:39:24, 24-07-2007 »

I took an eight year break from music.  It was the best decision I ever made.  I came back to it with an entirely different attitude, and I am now grateful and appreciative of everything I hear. 

Reiner, what (out of interest) did you do for those eight years? And how do you think whatever it was may have enhanced your capacity to come back to music so refreshed?
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