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« Reply #3390 on: 15:23:47, 30-08-2008 »

No, not 'Royal' then, eru, not until 1991.


The title was probably a catch-all for a compilation featuring four composers, three of whom were at that point strangers to the catalogue (and German only for Merrie England and the Nell Gwyn Dances) and names quite unknown to the record-buying public. I'm trying to remember what was on the original sleeve....

The hit of the disc was the MacCunn, the big tune of which was nabbed for a  1970s BBC series about a Procurator Fiscal in a small Scottish town (Sutherland's Law IIRC).

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« Reply #3391 on: 22:39:01, 30-08-2008 »

Bill Hopkins, Etudes en série, played by Nicolas Hodges.

I used to think these were very ugly pieces indeed, but I'm changing my mind.
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« Reply #3392 on: 22:47:16, 30-08-2008 »

Do you know that his orchestral music (both pieces, one of which is an orchestration of Debussy) has never been performed, and that his orchestral piece Musique de l'Indifférence has not even been published. Actually UE only currently sell one score by Hopkins, and that's Sous-Structures and those other UE scores have errors in them. Makes you think doesn't it?
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« Reply #3393 on: 22:55:40, 30-08-2008 »

Bill Hopkins, Etudes en série, played by Nicolas Hodges.

I used to think these were very ugly pieces indeed, but I'm changing my mind.

Really?  I've I've always quite liked them.  Perhaps I shall spin them shortly.  And yes, his music is terribly under-recorded, although it should also be said that some of it in my estimation is not really very good.
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« Reply #3394 on: 22:57:10, 30-08-2008 »

Do you know that his orchestral music (both pieces, one of which is an orchestration of Debussy) has never been performed, and that his orchestral piece Musique de l'Indifférence has not even been published. Actually UE only currently sell one score by Hopkins, and that's Sous-Structures and those other UE scores have errors in them. Makes you think doesn't it?

No I didn't know that but I can't say it surprises me. I take it that Nic H, being a Hopkins scholar, has corrected the score he uses for his performance. Maybe the mistakes were what made me think the harmony was so arbitrary when I first heard the pieces, because it doesn't sound like that to me now. Maybe it's me who's become arbitrary.

Strangely enough, it had occurred to me that you'd like these pieces, Evan. Now why is that?
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« Reply #3395 on: 23:08:32, 30-08-2008 »

Having finally tracked it down to the bedroom after the Noval 'Storm' thread was rekindled earlier...

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« Reply #3396 on: 23:19:01, 30-08-2008 »

Galina Ustvolskaya, Composition I

Can anyone help me? This music seems to make no sense at all.
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« Reply #3397 on: 23:19:43, 30-08-2008 »

Strangely enough, it had occurred to me that you'd like these pieces, Evan. Now why is that?

Well, blow me down, I can't begin to imagine.  Now I will have to spin them.  

Could you have been in the line of fire of one of my all-too-frequent fusillades of praise for the Barraqué sonata?  
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« Reply #3398 on: 23:20:20, 30-08-2008 »

I take it that Nic H, being a Hopkins scholar, has corrected the score he uses for his performance. Maybe the mistakes were what made me think the harmony was so arbitrary when I first heard the pieces, because it doesn't sound like that to me now. Maybe it's me who's become arbitrary.

I think that the Etudes scores are ok though I've never followed it in great detail with the score (actually the way that the score is laid out in polyphonic lines rather than as a conventional piano score creates problems of its own on this front).
There are inaccuracies in the score for Two Pomes certainly. Not quite on a level with those present in the score of Birtwistle's Précis but they do require a level of editorial intervention.

It may be that the nature of the notation creates the errors in performance that you heard. I'd be interested to talk to Nic H about this issue since I know that he was closely involved in the edition of Sous-Structures.

Really?  I've I've always quite liked them.  Perhaps I shall spin them shortly.  And yes, his music is terribly under-recorded, although it should also be said that some of it in my estimation is not really very good.

There's really not much to record. I don't really like Sensation but I don't know if that's down to the recording or the piece. I quite like the Two Pomes but they aren't 'fully formed' IMO. I do really like the piano Etudes and Pendant.
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« Reply #3399 on: 23:22:06, 30-08-2008 »

Galina Ustvolskaya, Composition I

Can anyone help me? This music seems to make no sense at all.

I like that piece.
I did hear it live first though...
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« Reply #3400 on: 23:23:05, 30-08-2008 »

Well, blow me down, I can't begin to imagine.  Now I will have to spin them.  

Could you have been in the line of fire of one of my all-too-frequent fusillades of praise for the Barraqué sonata?  

I don't think so. I just immediately thought that the Hopkins studies would be your kind of thing.
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« Reply #3401 on: 23:37:36, 30-08-2008 »

Galina Ustvolskaya, Composition I

Can anyone help me? This music seems to make no sense at all.

I like that piece.
I did hear it live first though...

Hm. On to Composition II, which prompts the thought that if it had been written by a man it would probably be described in some quarters as "macho".
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« Reply #3402 on: 23:50:38, 30-08-2008 »

I realise that my comment was probably not terribly helpful... But it does have a particular impact when performed live which is just not equaled by any recording (even if it is of the same performance). I suspect that many of us would say the same about any piece...
All three Compositions are rather bleak but for me they have a sense of physicality. They push their way into your ears rather than waiting for you to hear them. In so far as that's true, I don't think that there's much to understand really. Perhaps a bit like Feldman? Now there's a comparison I thought I'd never make... I've probably got recordings of the Huddersfield concerts where I first heard these pieces somewhere. Maybe I'll dig them out when I'm back in Durham to box my stuff up.
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« Reply #3403 on: 00:04:47, 31-08-2008 »

I definitely preferred the second and third to the first of the Compositions. There's certainly a comparison to be made with Feldman, though at the other end of the dynamic spectrum for the most part. I hadn't heard any of her music before this evening and pretty much the only thing I knew about her is that Shostakovich thought highly of her, and that she was a strong influence on a composer I know who can remain nameless but whose music I can't stand. Anyway, I wouldn't say that about Ustvolskaya herself, though I can't see that I'm likely to grow to like it. Now I'm on the First Piano Sonata which is from 1947. At that time she must have just finished or still been studying with Shostakovich. It's somewhat less stark than the Compositions (though it still makes Shostakovich sound like Brahms) and I think the harmonies are more interesting.
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« Reply #3404 on: 00:14:20, 31-08-2008 »

and that she was a strong influence on a composer I know who can remain nameless but whose music I can't stand

Ah yes. I think I know who you mean. Had an interesting non-conversation with Chris Fox about that composer once. We were both tactfully non-committal.

It's been far too long since I heard for me to say anything more coherent about them.
The wooden box in Composition no 2 shows up James MacMillan's use of the same object in The World's Ransoming IMO, but then that possibly won't surprise you.

Incidentally, do you know Shostakovitch's early Aphorisms op. 13? I play them sometimes. They're very obviously related to the later work but have that sort of insane bleakness you get on the outskirts of Scriabin and which you get in the better Schnittke, and which Ustvolskaya sort of orchestrates to maximal intensity in her late work.
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