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richard barrett
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« Reply #3795 on: 17:14:31, 07-10-2008 »

It's so essential, even I have it. Looking forward to listening again and discussing this - I've only listened to the Sacra so far and my reactions were mixed. There's no other music quite like it though.
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« Reply #3796 on: 17:21:48, 07-10-2008 »

By no means the first time I've posted this link, Ted, but I'd still recommend it as the essential Panufnik disc.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Panufnik-Sinfonia-concertante-rustica-sacra/dp/B000E5L84S/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1223395533&sr=8-1

Thanks Ron how could I refuse at that price ? In fact I've ordered the Cello Concerto as well. Thank you for the link.
  And now I see it the Sinfonia comes with Mr Barrett's recommendation-say no more!
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« Reply #3797 on: 17:28:24, 07-10-2008 »

Well, as I say, my reactions were mixed and I don't yet know how typical of the composer this piece is - Ron and t_i_n know far more of his work than I do.
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« Reply #3798 on: 17:47:27, 07-10-2008 »

I don't know that much of his work, though I was very pleasantly surprised by my encounter last year with one of the symphonies in particular. In fact, it was in my mind (and a mechanical reproduction of it in my hand) just a few minutes ago as I wandered down to the post office for a 10-minute break from the purgatory that my life is going to be for hopefully not much more than a few more hours now. (Still not quite sure whether I end up in heaven or hell at the end of it. I'll attempt to report back, either way.)
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« Reply #3799 on: 18:26:38, 07-10-2008 »

ns...

I have to declare an interest here, as the cellist Johannes Martens is a good friend of mine, and I wrote the liner notes for this new CD from Norway, but I've just listened to it for the first time and I can recommend it very highly. Certain of Carter's short chamber works can come across as 'Carter lite' in some interpretations, but not here: there's a thoughtfulness and passion about the interpretations, and the programme order, that lends them new weight - in this Carter fan's humble opinion at any rate.
Here's a link to the record company's website.
Edit: Oh, yes, forgot to mention it's a Hybrid CD/SACD 5.1 surround disc
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« Reply #3800 on: 18:37:01, 07-10-2008 »

Not forgetting this.
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« Reply #3801 on: 19:29:14, 07-10-2008 »

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« Reply #3802 on: 19:45:45, 07-10-2008 »

Hi Andy D
wonder what yr impression is listening to Rothko Chapel - i have the cd you mentioned and like it for its atmosphere - i find i have to be in right mood to listen just to get the full benefit - like going into a trance and absorb it - sorry im not expressing myself very well !
I found Why Patterns more difficult but has many similarities to minimalist works and needs concentration  Smiley
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« Reply #3803 on: 20:02:31, 07-10-2008 »

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Quite. Well, it happens all the time  Sad (For anyone confused, my surname should be spelt MacRae and appears as McRae on the CD notes). Johannes apologised for that too - he gave it to the record label correctly but they must have thought they knew better...

Thanks for that link Bryn.
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« Reply #3804 on: 20:48:10, 07-10-2008 »

I'm revisiting Kancheli's Styx - a work the musical 'elite' will tell me isn't worth the effort. I disagree.



Yes, it's heavily influenced by the composer's experience of scoring for cinema. True, it can get a little too sugary, dreamy and sentimental in places. And okay, its appeal rests as much on its extremes of dynamics as its solo viola line or writing for the chorus. Nonetheless, it sucks me in.

I heard it for the first time this summer: it made the hairs stand up on the back of neck. I had headphones on and was trying to work. After the first couple of movements, I abandoned that idea and just listened.

It's so dramatic, so Hans Zimmer, so very nearly OTT - but for all this, so enjoyable. A classic example of music that's not for the head, but for ... well, if not the heart, then maybe the solar plexus. That's where it hit me first, leaving me shaken, yet energised, excitable. Sometimes, that's what you want from music.

FK
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« Reply #3805 on: 21:18:36, 07-10-2008 »

I don't know who the musical "elite" are supposed to be, but I do think Kancheli's music sounds rather like film music without the film, which is a kind of thing I personally don't find so interesting. Kuhlau, do you know Schnittke's viola concerto? It might make an interesting comparison with Styx, being also overloaded with "expressive significance", though in what sounds to me like a more self-aware (and therefore ultimately more affecting?) way rather than the (faux?) naive quality of Kancheli's piece.
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« Reply #3806 on: 21:44:23, 07-10-2008 »

I must confess, richard, that I know nothing about Schnittke beyond his name. But the way you succinctly describe his Viola Concerto does pique my interest. I'll look up a recording somewhere online where I can hear at least some of it for free, then decide if it's something I'd like to experience in full.

The 'naive quality' of Styx is rather an apt turn of phrase. There are one or two moments when I involuntarily imagine a cringe-making love scene between whoever may be Hollywood's latest leading man and women, bathed in soft lighting on the set of a film about pirates, or hobbits, or wizards. But for all this, it's that 'naive quality' that makes the work so appealing to me. It's like a guilty pleasure you don't usually speak about: you occasionally want it, but you don't really want others to know you want it. Until now, obviously. Wink

As for the 'elite' remark, I was being flippant. Though I have encountered many self-appointed members of this exclusive set, always ready to decry anything that's less than 'challenging' or in some way intellectual, rather than (naively?) emotive.

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« Reply #3807 on: 22:04:13, 07-10-2008 »

Maybe I've led a sheltered life, but the context in which I've heard this distinction between 'head' and 'heart', or 'intellect' and 'emotion' or whatever, made most frequently is by people who imagine that other people are scorning them for having privileged the latter term. I think most people, even those who live in ivory towers, know about the occasional (or even more frequent) pleasures of the naive and sugary, don't they? Maybe not.

You don't fancy making your signature the same size as everyone else's, do you, FK old chap? Or does that make me sound like a member of the typographical elite? Wink
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« Reply #3808 on: 22:33:10, 07-10-2008 »

I think most people, even those who live in ivory towers, know about the occasional (or even more frequent) pleasures of the naive and sugary, don't they?

Undoubtedly they do. Perhaps I've just been unfortunate in having met a disproportionately high number of ivory tower dwellers who won't admit as much.

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You don't fancy making your signature the same size as everyone else's, do you, FK old chap? Or does that make me sound like a member of the typographical elite? Wink

Very good. But I suspect, if you really were a member of such an elite, the fact that you post in this forum would mean you'd berate me far more harshly for not using the whole of the original quote; the point size would be very much a secondary matter. Wink

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« Reply #3809 on: 22:39:50, 07-10-2008 »

Very good. But I suspect, if you really were a member of such an elite, you'd berate me far more harshly for not using the whole of the original quote; the point size would be very much a secondary matter.
I am but elite north northwest; when the wind is southerly I can usually kick back and enjoy my Kancheli, and I don't insist on the whole of any original quote (although I do think you're slightly courting confusion as to what Bettina von Arnin was doing writing to Goethe in 1810 ...).

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