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« Reply #3960 on: 18:44:56, 31-10-2008 »

Examples in the UK on the organs of Norwich Cathedral (unfortunately our organist chickened out of acutally using it the service last time I sang there) and St John's College Cambridge.
And St Cuthbert's Church in Edinburgh (he says obscurely ...).
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« Reply #3961 on: 19:48:23, 31-10-2008 »

Here's a very preliminary report on Sciarrino. Variazioni (1974) uses much denser textures for the most part than Sciarrino's later pieces, and comes across in comparison as comparatively lush, which I quite like. Allegoria della notte (1985) is one of those Sciarrino pieces with lumps of tonal music floating around in it, which I'm not generally that keen on, and this is no exception. Frammento e Adagio (1991) and Recitativo oscuro (1999): very high quality stuff. Morte di Borromini (1988): I haven't listened to more than a few minutes of it yet - given that it features a speaking voice in Italian I need to get to grips with what it's about before going any further. I fuochi oltre la ragione (1997): see my post from last night. Il suono e il tacere (2004) I found most striking on a first hearing, no doubt because it does its obsessing around a kind of material (a three-note motive) which is not so common in Sciarrino, though the accompanying "heartbeat" is a familiar idea. Shadow of sound (2005) seems on first acquaintance to be a sort of watered-down version of the previous piece.

So, at least three pieces I look forward very much to exploring further. The orchestral playing and recording seem to be quite good if not spectacular.

A more authoritative view will follow on the wireless tomorrow morning.  Smiley
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« Reply #3962 on: 20:21:51, 31-10-2008 »

A more authoritative view will follow on the wireless tomorrow morning.  Smiley
I somehow doubt it. My memories of the studio session are increasingly of gratuitous smiling, waffle, trying to sound 'approachable' and not managing my usual trick of (I think!) combining this with an aura of understated intelligence (Roll Eyes). Maybe they've managed to retrieve my reputation in the editing suite, but I'm not holding my breath. In fact, the way I'm feeling at the moment I'd rather you didn't listen, though of course I don't deny responsibility for my own failings.

Either way, just to show that I do actually have some coherent thoughts somewhere in my head, even if they don't always make it out of my mouth, I'd say in response to your summary above that:

Variazioni is lovely and surprising indeed, and oddly enough, given what I was listening to earlier in the week, not as far away as I might have expected from some of the composers Scelsi was influencing elsewhere in Europe around this time (for which reason I originally planned to play some of this piece and eventually decided not to)
Allegoria I liked for what it did with the Mendelssohn, but could easily change my mind on further listenings about how successful this is. Anyway, my provisional conclusion was more positive than yours and I talked quite a bit about this, also partly because it allowed me to highlight the issue of Sciarrino's relationship to tradition (which I think is present even when less explicit)
Morte di Borromini: as you say it would help to familiarise oneself with the spoken text, which it's a pity therefore no one bothered to translate into any language other than Italian for the booklet
I fuochi: I listened again this afternoon and liked some of it better, though I still think it has structural weaknesses of one sort or another
Recitativo oscuro seems to me to be what a Sciarrino orchestral piece (+ piano) should be, and was the other piece I played and talked about for the programme
Frammento e Adagio I'd had a less positive impression of, but will re-visit at some point when I'm feeling flute-y
The two most recent orchestral pieces I agree with your comments.
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« Reply #3963 on: 21:52:17, 31-10-2008 »

Tinley,
It's almost inevitable that what you said/ wanted to get across will not come across in the way you wanted it to tomorrow morning. I suspect this is a fact of life in broadcasting. It's happened to me on at least three occasions I can think of. My colleague did an interview with Tom Service about Kagel recently. He said it was 15 minutes long. They broadcast two minutes, and left out what he considered to be the most important (and unique) things he had to say on the subject. Ho hum.

I'm sure it'll come across well in any case.  Smiley
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« Reply #3964 on: 21:59:51, 31-10-2008 »

Another thing that is almost inevitable is that this Fallas chap will get the obligatory slagging that CD Reviewers attract at TOP. Wink
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« Reply #3965 on: 22:03:48, 31-10-2008 »

Another thing that is almost inevitable is that this Fallas chap will get the obligatory slagging that CD Reviewers attract at TOP. Wink
Worse than the slagging this time_is_now chap is giving him?  Cheesy
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« Reply #3966 on: 22:50:30, 31-10-2008 »

msge 3935 Bryn
Re Poul Ruders Symphony - its himmelhoch jauchzeno

have not heard the other symphony y refer - is it any good  Grin


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« Reply #3967 on: 23:10:32, 31-10-2008 »

O.k., I admit it. I only know the first, which I used to listen to a lot on my old Walkman. Turns out there's also a 3rd, "Dreamcatcher". Wink
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« Reply #3968 on: 08:22:22, 01-11-2008 »

Alkan - The Op.39 studies - Jack Gibbons.  It's nice to hear music that I haven't listened to for a while!

That's a great recording jonathan! I have that in my collection to! I was thinking I ought to play some Alkan again soon. I have some Marc-Andre Hamelin playing Alkan to, Les Quatres Ages, for instance. I dont know how these pianists do this really. What talent.
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« Reply #3969 on: 11:55:40, 01-11-2008 »

I agree BBM, I struggled with Op.39 nos.2 and 11 for about a year and then gave up!  Liszt is ok but Alkan is another matter altogether!!
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« Reply #3970 on: 13:20:09, 01-11-2008 »

I somtimes think of alkan as the pianists berlioz, Jonathan!
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« Reply #3971 on: 16:05:05, 01-11-2008 »



Yum.
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« Reply #3972 on: 16:41:57, 01-11-2008 »

Yum.

And (to satisfy Messrs Iron and Fragment) much less vibrato than on the youtube clip, nicht wahr?
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« Reply #3973 on: 16:43:24, 01-11-2008 »

Much less.
Given that YouTube excerpt I was unsure what I was going to get, but this is just lovely.
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« Reply #3974 on: 16:57:55, 01-11-2008 »

Moved onto this:



Looking forward especially to Dum Transisset Sabbatum having made my little choir sing it a few years ago. I think I enjoyed it more than they did...
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