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« Reply #4125 on: 11:18:38, 14-11-2008 » |
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NS: Webern complete works. (Boulez, LSO, Julliard SQ etc.) I've got to op 10 so far.
Do you plan to move on the (rather more) complete works in the DGG set later, hh?
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« Reply #4126 on: 11:24:32, 14-11-2008 » |
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Do you plan to move on the (rather more) complete works in the DGG set later, hh? Maybe not today, but over the weekend, yes.
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« Reply #4127 on: 11:25:15, 14-11-2008 » |
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The Brandenburgs Mort, that reminded me that I needed to see this again. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vLsNzCx1otsBryn brought it (them) to our attention several months back, and it's worth another look/ listen. Search Youtube for 'Brandenburg Abbado' and you get more. Electrifying performances, and I want a commercial release, please. (Er, there isn't one yet, is there?) I must be in a critical mood today. I find this kind of neither-fish-nor-fowl approach to HIP annoying even at its best (and this clip probably does represent it at its best) - what's with the hybrid valved trumpet thingy, the modern bows held halfway up in the misunderstanding that baroque playing is "light", mixed in with a modern oboe? That's my own specialist gripe, but musically it produces a result that I find irritatingly combines a twee delicacy with a sewing machine approach to passagework and articulation. Where's the variety, the shade to contrast with the light, the swoop of excitement as it gets unbelievably high? And having a conductor is SO UNNECESSARY in this music - it completely takes away the chamber music feel. When the centre group pass around an ornament they insert (a little mordent), they each do EXACTLY the same thing - so even if it was spontaneous it sounds written in and not much fun. I suppose I should listen to more of it before really laying into it, but I'm now feeling a bit grumpy.
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« Reply #4128 on: 11:32:47, 14-11-2008 » |
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The Brandenburgs Mort, that reminded me that I needed to see this again. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vLsNzCx1otsBryn brought it (them) to our attention several months back, and it's worth another look/ listen. Search Youtube for 'Brandenburg Abbado' and you get more. Electrifying performances, and I want a commercial release, please. (Er, there isn't one yet, is there?) Thank for the reminder, Martle. I still owe a couple of people assistance with viewing/listening to the broadcast version of those performances.
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« Reply #4129 on: 11:57:51, 14-11-2008 » |
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The Brandenburgs Mort, that reminded me that I needed to see this again. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=vLsNzCx1otsBryn brought it (them) to our attention several months back, and it's worth another look/ listen. Search Youtube for 'Brandenburg Abbado' and you get more. Electrifying performances, and I want a commercial release, please. (Er, there isn't one yet, is there?) I must be in a critical mood today. I find this kind of neither-fish-nor-fowl approach to HIP annoying even at its best (and this clip probably does represent it at its best) - what's with the hybrid valved trumpet thingy, the modern bows held halfway up in the misunderstanding that baroque playing is "light", mixed in with a modern oboe? That's my own specialist gripe, but musically it produces a result that I find irritatingly combines a twee delicacy with a sewing machine approach to passagework and articulation. Where's the variety, the shade to contrast with the light, the swoop of excitement as it gets unbelievably high? And having a conductor is SO UNNECESSARY in this music - it completely takes away the chamber music feel. When the centre group pass around an ornament they insert (a little mordent), they each do EXACTLY the same thing - so even if it was spontaneous it sounds written in and not much fun. I suppose I should listen to more of it before really laying into it, but I'm now feeling a bit grumpy. I'm afraid to say that I was also rather irritated by this performance, though for a slightly different reason. Strina's right about the conductor being unnecessary - in fact the performers didn't take a great deal of notice of him did they? There were places in both versions where the music sped up for a few moments (cellists) and the rhythmic feel of the soloists was anything but unified: to my ears the oboist was a bit of a rusher and the violinist too laid back. Chap on the pea-shooter was a marvellous player of course but a pity they didn't all measure up rhythmically to that Kate Adie on the recorder.
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« Reply #4130 on: 13:51:56, 14-11-2008 » |
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I have to agree with strina about this one (and with both her and Mort about the OAE who for some reason hardly ever do it for me, despite having numbers of fine players). Abbado's conducting seems almost apologetic, as if he's given the players permission to ignore him, which they seem to be doing, and his presence there is only for the cameras. My feeling is that if you're going to go this far with HIPness ou might as well go the rest of the way too. It's hard to hear exactly what the strings sound like through laptop speakers, but of course holding a modern bow halfway up isn't the same as having a convex bow.
Brandenburg-recordings-wise I am in favour of MAK, Giardino Armonico, Leonhardt's 1970s set and (especially) Café Zimmermann though the latter are mixed in with other Bach concertos and it isn't (yet, I hope) a complete set.
(edit: none of which is conducted by the way!)
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« Reply #4131 on: 13:56:26, 14-11-2008 » |
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what's with the hybrid valved trumpet thingy Just a perfectly normal modern piccolo trumpet as far as I can see (with Reinhold Friedrich behind it). I seem to be the only one to find the Reinhard Goebel performances entirely reasonable and not (well hardly) at all bonkers, then? To me they're not only the ones to have best stood up over time, but seem to me to be for the most part perfectly sensible!
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« Reply #4132 on: 14:00:29, 14-11-2008 » |
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I seem to be the only one to find the Reinhard Goebel performances entirely reasonable and not (well hardly) at all bonkers, then? Brandenburg-recordings-wise I am in favour of MAK (...)
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« Reply #4133 on: 14:02:59, 14-11-2008 » |
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Just a perfectly normal modern piccolo trumpet as far as I can see
I wouldn't call it perfectly normal. Most piccolo trumpets I've seen look more like this:
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« Reply #4134 on: 14:42:54, 14-11-2008 » |
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I seem to be the only one to find the Reinhard Goebel performances entirely reasonable and not (well hardly) at all bonkers, then? Brandenburg-recordings-wise I am in favour of MAK (...) What I was getting at was not that they're good (which of course they are) but that they're interpretatively nowhere near as outlandish as even many of those generally in favour of them would have it. I find the set interpretatively both coherent and entirely sensible. And the tempi if anything perhaps even a bit conservative except the famous finale of the 3rd. I've never seen a piccolo trumpet that looked quite like your pic(c), I must say. More often more or less like it but with 4 valves. I've seen plenty that looked like Friedrich's, on the other hand.
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« Reply #4135 on: 14:52:01, 14-11-2008 » |
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I've never seen a piccolo trumpet that looked quite like your pic(c), I must say. More often more or less like it but with 4 valves. I've seen plenty that looked like Friedrich's, on the other hand.
I said more like that, ie. short, but indeed they mostly have four valves, enabling a larger repertoire of pedal tones which as any fule kno are the crowning glory of the piccolo trumpet.
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« Reply #4136 on: 15:02:16, 14-11-2008 » |
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Am I sorry I posted that clip now? Hell, no.
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« Reply #4137 on: 15:42:52, 14-11-2008 » |
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Just listening again to the cd I had on yester, entitled, "New Music for Brass Band"
Richard Rodney Bennett: Flowers of the Forest. Kenneth Hesketh: The Alchymist's Journal George Benjamin: Altitude. Judith Bingham: Prague Philip Wilby: Shadow Songs# Various composers: Variations on a theme of Tippett
Foden's Richardson, Bramwell Tovey.
This was the recording which I mentioned to the R3 presenter Andrew McCregor on his staurday morning programme, CD Review. He mentioned this recordinng, and played the George Benjamin track. BTW, my username was mentioned as well! I mentioned this cd in TOP. So it has its uses.
Top class recording in every way.
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« Reply #4138 on: 18:14:38, 14-11-2008 » |
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BTW, my username was mentioned as well! I mentioned this cd in TOP. So it has its uses.
And after mentioning your username, he refers to you as we all do as bbm. Cheers, bbm
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« Reply #4139 on: 18:40:39, 14-11-2008 » |
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Indeed he did DB. Rather good that, huh? BTW the band that i have just joined is, just in case you guys did'nt know, is being recorded this weekend and hopefully be released in December sometime!! So email me or pm me for any copies!
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