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« Reply #60 on: 23:33:51, 14-02-2007 » |
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Nick,
I do sympathise with you as far as sound quality is concerned - in that I think Mahler suffers more than most from poor recording. However, it's only in the 8th for me that it is a deciding factor.
I love Janet Baker, and she is probably my second favourite singer of Mahler (I'm very fond both of her seconds with Rattle and Bernstein and also her Das Lied with Haitink). But, for me Ferrier is just in another league - there's not voice quite like it.
The Ferrier/Walter Das Lied is really something, and the sound is not bad (and nigh as good as mono can get). However it is not the Ferrier/Walter recording I would take to my desert island - that is their Kindertotenlieder. It can be had on Naxos historical (coupled with Walter's Mahler 4) - given the price there's not much to lose.
Oliver,
I must confess, I really don't care all that much for male voices in a lot of these works. You mention Baker in Kindertotenlieder - have you heard her recording with Bernstein and the Israeli Phil (it's one of the 'fillers' on his Sony cycle).
regards, Tam
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« Reply #61 on: 01:01:09, 16-02-2007 » |
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Hello All!
A friend of Opilec here making a late entry on the Dream Mahler cycle thread:
1 - BPO/Abbado
2 - Philh/Klemperer
3 - NYPO/Bernstein (I know, I know...)
4 - LPO/Popp/Tennstedt
5 - LPO/Tennstedt (RFH recording)
6 - BPO/Abbado
7 - BPO/Abbado
8 - CSO/Solti
9 - BPO/Abbado
10 - either the BSO/Rattle (B is for Bournemouth) or CSO/Martinon
Das Lied - GMJO/Heppner/Hampson/Haitink (Mahlerfeest. Ahem - off air recording)
Very Abbado biased, but his later Mahler just hits the right spot for me...
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« Reply #62 on: 16:56:30, 16-02-2007 » |
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When I move into my new flat next month, Im going to buy 3 discs to celebrate :
Symphony No 7 : Gielen
Symphony No 8 : Horenstein
Symphony No 9 : Maderna
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« Reply #63 on: 18:34:08, 16-02-2007 » |
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Hi all,
Agree with the comments about Ludwig's Mahler - very special. I remember hearing Mackerras conduct a performance of Das Lied a few years ago at the EIF with Simon Keenlyside singing the 'alto' songs. Much to my surprise, I really enjoyed it, but this may be more to do with his qualities as a fine singer than anything else.
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« Reply #64 on: 19:00:09, 16-02-2007 » |
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Hi all,
Agree with the comments about Ludwig's Mahler - very special. I remember hearing Mackerras conduct a performance of Das Lied a few years ago at the EIF with Simon Keenlyside singing the 'alto' songs. Much to my surprise, I really enjoyed it, but this may be more to do with his qualities as a fine singer than anything else.
Hi Ernani Good Lord, I would love to have heard that! Keenlyside is wonderful, at least to these untrained ears. I've managed to track down a copy of Rattle's EMI Das Lied, which should arrive in a day or two. That's done with Hampson singing the Alto songs, and the Gramophone review (see Gramofile) makes very interesting comparisons with the Bernstein recording. Does anyone have any views on the Rattle version? Any suggestions of particular interpretive points to look out for? Bests Nick |
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« Reply #65 on: 19:57:02, 16-02-2007 » |
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Just received the hard copy brochure for the Gergiev Mahler cycle ( I have already booked 3 and 6) Confirms what I thought : NO Das Lied von der Erde listed  What is it with Gergiev? He does not like the work? Does not regard it as an integral part of the cycle? I am stunned, and frankly amazed too that the Barbican PR peeps are advertising this as a cycle. A unicyle perhaps, but no bicycle MK |
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« Reply #66 on: 20:48:05, 16-02-2007 » |
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I think Gergiev's cycle will be fascinating, especially what he does with No 7
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« Reply #67 on: 00:22:01, 17-02-2007 » |
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I too would love to have heard Mackerras/Keenlyside. My views on Mackerras are pretty well recorded, but Keenlyside is a very fine singer, and the two have collaborated to excellent effect in the past (anyone who doubts this should check out the Chandos Magic Flute, where he sings my favourite Papageno).
As to the Rattle Das Lied, I haven't heard it. Inexplicably EMI have deleted it (or they had last time I looked - I did fine a copy on the amazon marketplace but they wanted over £100 and there's no way it's that good).
regards, Tam
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« Reply #68 on: 00:31:06, 17-02-2007 » |
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It was a very memorable concert, Tam. Robert Gambill was the tenor, and very good he was too, if better with the heft of the first and fifth songs than the lyricism of the third (Wunderlich is unsurpassed for me in this music). In any case, the orchestra was the Czech Phil, and it was a real pleasure to hear Mackerras conducting them  |
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« Reply #69 on: 01:04:54, 17-02-2007 » |
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I haven't heard him with the Czech Phil live (but on disc they're certainly a fine combination). I do slightly regret that there isn't a little more Mahler in his discography - since what there is is so fine. Radio 3 weren't in attendance by any chance (holding out the hope of a BBC Legends release one day, maybe....)?
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« Reply #70 on: 01:08:49, 17-02-2007 » |
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I too would love to have heard Mackerras/Keenlyside. My views on Mackerras are pretty well recorded, but Keenlyside is a very fine singer, and the two have collaborated to excellent effect in the past (anyone who doubts this should check out the Chandos Magic Flute, where he sings my favourite Papageno).
As to the Rattle Das Lied, I haven't heard it. Inexplicably EMI have deleted it (or they had last time I looked - I did fine a copy on the amazon marketplace but they wanted over £100 and there's no way it's that good).
regards, Tam
Tam I noticed the same thing with Rattle's Das Lied von der Erde on Amazon, BUT I happened to look again yesterday and picked it up for £9.99. In fact, look again now because there are still 4 copies on the Marketplace for under £13 a piece. Best wishes Nick |
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« Reply #71 on: 01:45:12, 17-02-2007 » |
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I haven't heard him with the Czech Phil live (but on disc they're certainly a fine combination). I do slightly regret that there isn't a little more Mahler in his discography - since what there is is so fine. Radio 3 weren't in attendance by any chance (holding out the hope of a BBC Legends release one day, maybe....)?
Agreed - he's a superb Mahlerian. I don't recall R3 recording it, although I might be wrong. However, there invariably is at least one microphone over the stage at the Usher Hall, and on the side walls too. I've often wondered whose these are and whether there's some 'house' recording going on. There are more than a few concerts over the years that I'd love to get my hands on recordings of... |
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« Reply #72 on: 12:08:43, 17-02-2007 » |
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I seem to remember that (probably about 10 years ago now) Mackerras performed the Resurrection with the BBC Philharmonic at the Proms. The BBC will have all such recordings from the Proms in their archives so it seems rather odd that they don't have a site for downloading them as MP3s. To be honest I'd gladly pay for some MP3s of past broadcasts. All those world-class performances closed away from the public! ARGH!
Nick
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« Reply #73 on: 12:25:26, 17-02-2007 » |
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Nick and ernani, I completely agree.
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« Reply #74 on: 16:00:41, 17-02-2007 » |
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Just finished the Barbirolli 6th, and very fine it is too. The sound, though mono, is perfectly respectable (though one does notice it in one or two of the climaxes). I actually found the scherzo a little light which led me to wonder how this recording would feel with the tracks reprogrammed for scherzo-andante (as normally I dislike it that way round as I find the first two movements too much). The andante itself is very fine - in Barbirolli's hands it felt rather more dangerous than it normally does. The finale was something quite special - and my only reservation concerns the metallic hammers which didn't bring quite the impact I would prefer. All in all, though, I'm very glad for Oliver's recommendation (as I'm not sure I would have got round to picking it up otherwise), even if it doesn't quite displace any of my absolute favourites (and I must check out more of the conductor's Mahler). Out of interest, does anyone have any views on his Testament 3rd versus his BBC Legends issue with the Halle?
regards, Tam
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