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« Reply #15 on: 16:50:57, 21-04-2007 » |
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Or at least getting back to Dmitri's strides.
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« Reply #16 on: 16:56:01, 21-04-2007 » |
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Seems to me, Ollie, looking behind the great man, that he was 150 years ahead of Cage in experimenting with a 'prepared-piano' or a 'klavier-vorbereitung'  |
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« Reply #17 on: 16:56:26, 21-04-2007 » |
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I think Liszt and Chopin were dandies and could not be seeing with creases on their trausers.
I am back to my point about evil people being great musicians. That example of madrigal composer who killed his wife does not count because it was a crime of a passion. Well, passion may have certain connotations of 'authenticity', but does that necessarily have a bearing on the acts committed? I wonder if the notion of a crime of 'passion' as mitigating somehow diminishes the idea that human beings are capable of making rational choices? What about people like Hitler or Stalin? Hitler could paint. He was not the greatest, but he could feel beauty. So he was not completely evil man. Stalin also came from seminary and knew a lot.
I guess an evil man can in theory write sublime music. I give up my point. (not going to go there with respect to Hitler's painting abilities or otherwise). Maybe 'evil' isn't always the most fruitful adjective, but I cannot at all see how being able have a feeling for something called 'beauty' (or coming from a seminary) in any sense makes someone any the less 'evil'. An 'evil man' may indeed write sublime music, but doesn't make them any less of an 'evil man'. |
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'These acts of keeping politics out of music, however, do not prevent musicology from being a political act . . .they assure that every apolitical act assumes a greater political immediacy' - Philip Bohlman, 'Musicology as a Political Act'
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« Reply #18 on: 16:58:45, 21-04-2007 » |
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Whoops. You're quite right, Mr S. We have been led astray. Maybe John W could VERY kindly transfer our clothes over to the Sartorial thread in due course.
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« Reply #19 on: 17:00:33, 21-04-2007 » |
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If that notorious picture of Stravinsky in his birthday suit ever surfaces, might this be the appropriate thread for it?
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« Reply #20 on: 17:03:20, 21-04-2007 » |
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 May be this picture will explain creases on Shostakovich's trouses. This is the way he sits and it explains creases. Ian, I think I can not sustain my poinsts because of my bastard (is it a bad word?) English and because of my deficiencies in analytical thinking. According to my husband it is good if I make it home (find where I live that is) withough getting into long conversation with people I accidentally meet or geting lost between three trees. I confuse myself with my logic. I think I wanted to say that an evil (really evil) man can be a great composer. I started actually with a point that only a good man could be a great composer, but Ollie proved to me that may be oposite could be right. Now I am of two opinions at once. |
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« Reply #21 on: 17:03:21, 21-04-2007 » |
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If that notorious picture of Stravinsky in his birthday suit ever surfaces, might this be the appropriate thread for it?
Does it have an apple or something strategically placed  |
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« Reply #22 on: 17:03:31, 21-04-2007 » |
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If that notorious picture of Stravinsky in his birthday suit ever surfaces, might this be the appropriate thread for it?
Self-evidently, Ian. And while we're waiting, Lenny B gets us in the mood...  |
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« Reply #23 on: 17:05:52, 21-04-2007 » |
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t-p yes, he appears to pull his trousers up quite high before sitting!
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« Reply #24 on: 17:06:10, 21-04-2007 » |
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How about La Monte Young ?  |
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« Reply #25 on: 17:06:29, 21-04-2007 » |
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Does it have an apple or something strategically placed I very sincerely hope so. If not, for plain decency's sake, please someone demonstrate the wonderful powers of Photoshop!  |
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« Reply #26 on: 17:08:50, 21-04-2007 » |
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There's also a rather fine pic out there of Percy Grainger holding up a chair with his, er, percy. (I suspect it's posed.) I had imagined clothing figuring somewhat more prominently on this thread... |
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« Reply #27 on: 17:11:05, 21-04-2007 » |
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There are, by my reckoning, at least nine composers who honour us with their company here. All are known to be without moral blot.
The best will in the world notwithstanding, I'm not sure that I would expect this description to be pinned upon me, so I must be one of those in the "at least" section... Best, Alistair |
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« Reply #28 on: 17:14:50, 21-04-2007 » |
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I usually safe what I am printing before looking who posted while I was typing, John W
In my time back in USSR men were pulling their trausers up when sitting down in order not to have baggy knees. Now noone does it, do they?
Shostakovich usually has that sour expression on his face, but he was not a bad men. He did not do anything bad to anybody. I never heard anybody said bad things about him. He was not sociable or amicable, but it does not make him a bad man.
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« Reply #29 on: 17:19:47, 21-04-2007 » |
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Hmm, this was NOT the Stravinsky photo I was thinking of  Fontaine_Stravinsky_Saint_Phalle.jpg but I do like this one:  |
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