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Author Topic: ELGAR Diary Notes  (Read 2014 times)
Stanley Stewart
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« on: 12:40:31, 27-05-2007 »

Glad to see that Ken Russell's "Elgar" will be shown on BBC 4, at 7.05pm, Saturday 2 June.   Wishful thinking, perhaps, but it would be good to know that Russell's other work in the MONITOR series; "Song of Summer" (Delius), Debussy and Richard Strauss, would also be given another airing in the run up to The Proms.   Huw Wheldon was always around to curb the directorial excesses.   A good opportunity, too, for a younger generation to take a look at the creativity in the 1960's.

Radio 3 is offering a substantial coverage of Elgar's work, starting with Performance on 3, 7pm on 1st June,  and seeing the name of Andrew Davis, conducting the Philharmonia, reminded me of visits to the Royal Festival Hall, autumn 1981, when he also conducted the same orchestra in an Elgarian repertoire.    A Pomp & Circumstance march always followed as an encore.
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« Reply #1 on: 15:54:06, 27-05-2007 »

Thanks for this information Stanley, I hadn't noticed.

The Delius film is now on dvd which is good , but I haven't seen the others you mention on dvd. I remember being able to assimilate the whole picture of a composer easily and enjoyably in the 60s with these films and it is time they were aired for the present day youngsters I agree.

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« Reply #2 on: 21:56:00, 27-05-2007 »

Thanks from me also Stanley - must get the video working - do you remember ever seeing Russell's films on Bax and Martinu - not classics like the Elgar and Delius but nevertheless interesting - i always think with Russell you never really know what to expect !!!
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« Reply #3 on: 22:06:26, 27-05-2007 »

I caught some sort of announcement on Radio 4 this morning about a programme to be broadcast next Sunday morning concerning Elgar's spiritual side. Unfortunately the Radio 4 schedule information is as badly maintained as that of Radio 3, so next Sunday's displays today's details. :-(

Worth checking out later in the week though.
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Tony Watson
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« Reply #4 on: 22:50:20, 27-05-2007 »

Is anyone jumping up and down at the Arts Council's decision not to give money to an Elgar festival, as reported in the Sunday Telegraph today? At the end of the story it did concede that the correct procedures in applying for money had not been followed, something that the headlines don't reflect. But then one wonders whether the rules could have been bent if the Council had been keen enough. I personally think that Elgar gets sufficient promotion and has enough champions already. I'm not bothered by the fact that he's disappeared from the £20 notes, having had a good run for his "money" there.

I've got the chance to play bass clarinet in a performance of The Kingdom and I don't know whether to take it up. I don't know the work but people I know who have attended rehearsals already say they find it overlong and the music not particularly distinguished. Perhaps Elgar enthusiasts here can convince me.
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« Reply #5 on: 23:05:05, 27-05-2007 »

Go for it Toneee.  I have had several love affairs with this work and suggest you go for it in this anniversary year.
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Stanley Stewart
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« Reply #6 on: 00:08:11, 28-05-2007 »

 # 2       Thanks, offbeat.       I've gradually been sifting my unwieldy video collection, started in the early 80's, with the aim of transferring selected items to DVD with a consequent improvement in a sharper picture and sound.    Fortuitously, the Bax (South Bank Show) and Martinu documentaries are on my search list as I always warmed to Ken Russell's  TV output, before his wide screen forays into Tchaikovsky, Mahler and Liszt, although fascinated by his "Savage Messiah" and "The Devils" in the early 70's.      "An Appalling Talent" is perhaps a fair appraisal.

I hope that serendipity will come to my aid with Bax and Martinu programmes as it did, gradually, with the discovery of the 1969 Snape Maltings "Peter Grimes" off-air video,( in a repeat transmission several years later, of course); the 1971 TV production of "Owen Wingrave" and only yesterday, the 1970 TV broadcast of "Winterreise" with Peter Pears/Benjamin Britten, directed by John Culshaw.   Sadly, these TV landmarks are not commercially available and the possibility of transferring them to DVD is a real bonus, as well as being a voyage of discovery.

The commercial remastering of Russell's "Elgar" and "Song of Sunset" completely vindicates the digital processing and I hope that the BEEB may yet look to the other composers in the MONITOR series.   I still have vivid memories of the Debussy and Richard Strauss programmes.
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« Reply #7 on: 00:19:56, 28-05-2007 »

Go for it Toneee.  I have had several love affairs with this work and suggest you go for it in this anniversary year.

That's a good recommendation, Aleee. It'll be a fairly rare outing for the bass clarinet as well.
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Mary Chambers
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« Reply #8 on: 07:20:54, 28-05-2007 »

I've sung in The Kingdom (with Vernon Handley) and found it tedious in the extreme. It astonished me that the man who composed The Dream of Gerontius, a great work full of wonderful music, could have come up with something so forgettable. Handley tried to defend it, I remember, but there were few who were convinced, even by him.
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« Reply #9 on: 07:24:36, 28-05-2007 »

I don't know this piece and the one you like too.
I just discovered Elgar. Because I lived all my life in different countries I didn't know Elgar. In the USA I heard his March now and then on the radio. I did t know his other pieces.
At the moment I am on the road of discovery and I discovered his music. I think people here take it for granted that his music is played. Music of Elgar is not played that much even in UK, but outside it is played very infrequiently.
Now I know that he is first rate composer (perhaps I can compare him to Grieg) and very original. I am glad I came back to Europe to hear more of his music. Also I must add that he is more and more popular outside of UK and from what I understand his popularity grows.
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« Reply #10 on: 09:16:23, 28-05-2007 »

t-p, I know that he hasn't been played very much in other countries or even, as you say, here (except for certain pieces that everyone knows). Perhaps he doesn't export well. When I sang in The Dream of Gerontius in Germany about ten or fifteen (?) years ago, hardly anyone had heard of it, but they enjoyed it very much. I'm not really an Elgar fan, but I love Gerontius.
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« Reply #11 on: 09:58:44, 28-05-2007 »

Was The Kingdom one of those contractual-obligation things for the Three Choirs? I suspect the 'tedium' may derive from Ed having to rein in his progressive yen for the strictures thereof (at that time). With 'Gerontius' you get this agnostic therefore questing approach, so it hits you without your having to sign up to to speak. Incidentally, there was an 'Elgar revisited'(better title but idea behind it) by Russell for Barg@South Bank Show. (Odd experience of seeing one of the participants I knew at 17 now in their 50s and wearing mutton chop whiskers to the manner born). Usually, sure,'revisited' can mean flogging a dead horse, but Russell having attained the emotional climate he brilliantly described 1st time round, its very good imho-be good to see both films as a double issue.
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« Reply #12 on: 10:04:17, 28-05-2007 »

marbleflugel, You are making interesting point. I like to inversigate this. Was Elgar religious man or was he an agnostic?
When I first heard Elgar name I was very suspicious. I am prejudice like everybody else. My friend from the same country like me was also suspicious. We thought that he was sentimental out of date composer or may be British only. I went with this opinion for a while until I strarted to play and hear his various chamber pieces.
Now people tell me they play him in my former country that I think is very good. He is a good link between 19th century and 20 th century British (and world) music.
 
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« Reply #13 on: 10:08:40, 28-05-2007 »

I think Elgar receives about the right amount of attention relative to other composers of the same standing. Most of his music is available on disc in good performances,there have been several splendid books on him, and that is all I ask.I don't think the situation would be improved by the sort of overkill to which Mahler,for instance,  has been subjected.

It was all very different when I first discovered his music. None of his own recordings was available except for the 1932  Violin concerto , an a full-price HMV LP. There was only one ,mono,recording of 'Falstaff'. Only one of his choral works had been recorded, and only one recording of it was available. And many of his other works were temporarily unavailable on disc,such as the bassoon  romance, many of the songs,and the chamber works.  
 
My response was to scan the radio Times week by week, wire up my Dad's  Philips reel-to-reel tape recorder to our little VHF radio,and in this way,thanks to the Third Programme,  I assembled a collection including  The Apostles,the Kingdom, King Olaf, Caractacus ,the Starlight Express and the choral songs,long before these were available on disc.
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« Reply #14 on: 10:15:13, 28-05-2007 »

The development section of the 1st symphony (1st mvt)is ferocious rythmically but you can get a handle on it,similarly the chromatic quality in the 2nd. For me the genius of the man is to wrap complex ideas in a lyrical framework, and he
deeply figured out the psychology of being English (which itself has cross-cultural connects of course). Yes, t-p
I think he was agnostic. In rural England -as happily in Russia and IrelandI believe?-pagan rituals subtly continue
and of course underpin Christian rituals. Michael Kennedy's biography is a good souce I believe, but so are Ken's films-as I say, he seems to have made an Elgarian journey in more recent times.
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