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Mary Chambers
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« on: 10:33:19, 26-07-2007 »

I've always been fascinated by names, and how far they influence our perception of  a person, or influence the bearer of the name. Today's Times has a list of crazy celebrity baby names. I wonder how far one should go in the pursuit of the distinctive (certainly not this far, I think!) - or is it better to stick always to the tried and tested?

http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/families/article2130988.ece
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« Reply #1 on: 10:57:32, 26-07-2007 »

I've always been very grateful that my parents gave me a simple, traditional and monosyllabic name (no risk of abbreviation) - there is something horribly self-indulgent about both the celebrity names and some of those that one hears in daily life, as if the children are a sort of possession or plaything or extension of the parents' personae rather than an independent person in the making.

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« Reply #2 on: 11:02:58, 26-07-2007 »

Mary,

Those who know me off-board will be aware that my stage name, by which I'm almost universally known, has a first name which while not outrageous is unusual. It came about because no Equity member is allowed the same name as any other, and since my surname is very common and I had no wish to change it, nor go down the double-barrelled route, I had no alternative but to find a first name that was new. It was all but unique at the time (and incidentally my mother's maiden name, which was only one letter different in anagram to my given first name) though one American guitarist also used it then, and there are rather more about now:my godson, for example, was given the same name for real, and it seems to suit him really well, and has never caused him problems or embarassment: indeed, in one year at his secondary school there was even another lad with the same first name.

Made up 'new' names have happened for years: there were no Wendys, for example, before J M Barrie invented it in Peter Pan. It's also true that names go through phases of popularity, so that you can almost guess some folk's age by their names: we don't see that many Alberts, Fredericks, Daisies or Prudences about these days, and girls called Kylie are likely to have been born a certain while ago. When the world was smaller, and people lived their lives in small communities, outlandish names might have set them apart; now in these days of global celebrity, giving a child a 'different' name could be seen as a way of giving them a few steps up the ladder on the way to fame and fortune.
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« Reply #3 on: 11:23:06, 26-07-2007 »

I,too, Mary! Evelyn Waugh used to consider the difficulty of inventing truly fictional names for one's  characters: 'the Times announces Births to Fimbel, Futty and Prescott-Pickup'.

I could never go through life with a surname like Fullalove or Prettyjohn,and I wonder why some people never seem to tire of having a surname which they must have to spell out every time they give it over the phone . I once knew a chap called Holtom, whom naturally most people called Halton, wherupon he used to get intensely, and  unresaonably (I thought) annoyed.

First names (or Christian names as we used to call them) are berybrevealing.I associate Nicholas, Dominic,Benedict and Simon with  familes who play bridge, revere the minor royals,   prize their silver cutlery and still say Grace at meals.

Alan  Bennett has a fascinating theory that first names  which parents associate with  old people are not given to their children.Thus  Amelia and Adeline fell out of fashon,then after the war Doris,Ada  and Mabel would be avoided. Once all the Emilys were long dead the names coiuld be revived for baby girls, and so on.
I think it's in one of his plays that the  manager of an old folks' home says 'welcome! You're our first Kevin'.

I once knew a boy called Everton,and  another truly called Wyatt Earp. My grandparents considered calling my father Milton beore settling for John (he was always  called Jack) and he in turn considered calling me Alaric. Some vicars refused to baptise with other than Biblical names. My mother's friend May had to be  baptised Mary as the vicar said May  was pagan!

celeb names can be very cruel later in life when they sound outdated or absurd. I well remember travelling through Salford on a train and hearing a father shout to his little girl, 'Fallon, gerroff that seat!'
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« Reply #4 on: 11:27:18, 26-07-2007 »

Come back here Anastasia and Beyonce!!!!  I know what you mean Smittims.

I hate my real first name and I do get heartily sick and tired of having to spell my surname and then people still getting it wrong.  I gave our sons short names that couldn't be messed about with but their nicknames were taken from our surname instead.  In true revolt now, I chose a Welsh Christian name for our first grandson, spelt in the Welsh way.  Now people can't spell either his first or second name!  Grin
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« Reply #5 on: 11:32:13, 26-07-2007 »

Ron's point about Equity is interesting. I believe  it's for a similar reason that many boats and horses have such odd names,because they all have to be registered and therefore unique.

No such restriction seems to apply to films.I'm often frustrated to find the title of a film I like applied to another,very different film I've never  seen and don't  want to see. 'Traffic' or 'Dust' for instance,.
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« Reply #6 on: 11:32:58, 26-07-2007 »

celeb names can be very cruel later in life when they sound outdated or absurd. I well remember travelling through Salford on a train and hearing a father shout to his little girl, 'Fallon, gerroff that seat!'


Overheard in central Brighton a while ago - harrassed mother to fractious toddler:

"For God's sake SHUT UP, Guinevere"
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« Reply #7 on: 11:38:33, 26-07-2007 »

Shut it Keanu!!!

Poor little beggars.  When I was growing up there was even a child called Cheyenne.  It's later that they suffer.
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« Reply #8 on: 11:48:22, 26-07-2007 »

I think the Alberts and Fredericks are coming back, and we've certainly seen the phenomenon mentioned by Smittims concerning Emily, my grandmother's name, and now one of the most popular girls' names. I just can't imagine a return to the Enids, Ednas, Dorises, Normans and Kenneths of my parents' generation, but I suppose it may come.

My real first names are traditional. My surname before I married was very unusual and impossible for most people to either spell or pronounce. I was always rather proud of that, and its unusualness always made me feel a bit special. No-one ever forgot me, because of my name. I miss it now and would love to go back to it, but haven't.

My own sons have names which are traditional but slightly uncommon. At least, one of them was uncommon when we gave it to him, but then became very popular, which I'm rather affronted by! I really wanted to call him Sebastian, but didn't quite dare - it just seemed too unusual at the time. We gave them both very simple middle names in case they didn't like their first names, but neither of them has changed.

I once read in a novel, "You might as well call a child 'the' as call it Anne". This rather stuck with me, and I do think it's possible to live up or down to a name, and for a quiet child to disappear if he/she has a name shared by lots of others. Now, of course, if you call a child Anne she would probably stand out.
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« Reply #9 on: 11:54:15, 26-07-2007 »

Now people can't spell either his first or second name!  Grin
My daughter, being half Welsh and half German, has a Welsh first name and a German surname, thus ensuring that wherever we live most people will get half of it wrong. Maybe we should have called her Sunflower or McGonagall or Fluffpixie or Solenoid.

Why is one of the Wagner great-granddaughters named after a brand of trainers?

Mach's doch mal.
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« Reply #10 on: 12:03:49, 26-07-2007 »

Mach's doch mal.

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« Reply #11 on: 12:16:49, 26-07-2007 »

I once read in a novel, "You might as well call a child 'the' as call it Anne".
I think it was Terry Pratchett who alerted me to the dangers of names like Michaela and Alana (and yes, we have one of those in the family). Nobody admits to it, but everybody's thinking "We wanted a boy, but we'll make do with her"
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« Reply #12 on: 12:23:59, 26-07-2007 »

It has been shown that one's given name, while very much depending on one's generation and economic background, has no discernible influence on one's economic success in life.
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« Reply #13 on: 12:31:59, 26-07-2007 »

One first name which is splendidily distinctive without being absurd is Aldous.

Was anyone else ever called Aldous? Where did they get it from?
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« Reply #14 on: 12:33:31, 26-07-2007 »

I once read in a novel, "You might as well call a child 'the' as call it Anne".
I think it was Terry Pratchett who alerted me to the dangers of names like Michaela and Alana (and yes, we have one of those in the family). Nobody admits to it, but everybody's thinking "We wanted a boy, but we'll make do with her"

As in Nigella, Thomasina and Horatia Lawson?

(Actually, I like the names Georgina and Antonia.)
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