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Lorien Chadderton What sort of animal gets called "Lorien"? One of these? Oh no, sorry, that's "De Lorean".
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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« Reply #137 on: 12:34:37, 09-08-2007 » |
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Loads of interesting names for the children at my school! A fair number of girls named after models eg sisters called Jodie and Jordan, a Fallon, and plenty of made-up hyphenated names eg Kaylee-Jay, Toni-lea, kids named after gangsters (yes, really!) such as Cray (accidentally spelled with a C instead of K) and Ronnie. I was told that one girl (no longer at our school) was named Shakane after the chicane on the dangerous bend on a track in memory of her motorbiking uncle who was killed there just before she was born...
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« Reply #138 on: 12:45:07, 09-08-2007 » |
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Cool! A New Zealand joke that doesn't involve sheep!
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« Reply #139 on: 13:25:47, 09-08-2007 » |
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A late entry:
Sir Henry Breisacher, much obliged.
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« Reply #140 on: 13:35:00, 09-08-2007 » |
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I knew two sisters called Amber and Jade. I've known boys called Jordan too.
Before I continue I should like to mention in passing that my working class credentials are pretty good as both my parents were shop-floor factory workers.
Nevertheless, the working classes (outdated as that term might be now) often do try to give their daughters exotic-sounding names and end up making them sound more common than ever, names such as Chantelle or Candice.
Does anyone remember the children's book The Family From One End Street, in which the oldest daughter was called Lily Rose, after a painting by Sargent?
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« Reply #141 on: 13:55:42, 09-08-2007 » |
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Does anyone remember the children's book The Family From One End Street, in which the oldest daughter was called Lily Rose, after a painting by Sargent.
Ooh yes, that was one of my favourite books. I think the children's father (was he a dustman?) insisted that the next daughter should be called "plain Kate". Kate was the clever one, who went to the grammar school and learnt Latin. Memorable illustrations, too.
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George Garnett
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« Reply #142 on: 14:19:32, 09-08-2007 » |
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Does anyone remember the children's book The Family From One End Street, in which the oldest daughter was called Lily Rose, after a painting by Sargent? Oh, yes indeed. By Eve Garnett (no relation ). Lovely book. One of the first Carnegie Award winners. Thanks for the reminder, Tony. The whole 'feel' of it has come seeping back into the memory.
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« Reply #143 on: 14:40:23, 09-08-2007 » |
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the working classes (outdated as that term might be now) often do try to give their daughters exotic-sounding names and end up making them sound more common than ever, names such as Chantelle or Candice.
Never mind 'working classes', I'm not sure the term 'common' is really that fashionable these days, Tony. But you're quite right - you can guess a 20-year-old's social background pretty easily if she's called Chantelle/Chanelle/etc. It's a kind of slightly misplaced aspirational instinct, I suppose: trying to free your kids from their working-class background by giving them a 'posh' name. The Brazilian equivalent is to use what they imagine to be very 'English' names - Emerson, Jackson, Edson [a distortion of Edison I suppose], Milton, even Wellington (I've come across all of these as Christian names).
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This brings back memories! t-i-n mentions Brazil. Does the class distinction in names which is very definitely part of English culture exist much in other countries in Europe? Or in America? I've often wondered.
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t-i-n mentions Brazil. Does the class distinction in names which is very definitely part of English culture exist much in other countries in Europe? Or in America? I've often wondered.
Another country I know about is Greece. An interesting difference there from Britain is that people are as a matter of course named after their grandparents (I'm not sure whether this is always the eldest child, or exactly how it works), which as I understand it means that names don't go out of fashion the way they do in Britain. I don't know whether there are certain names that would suggest you're higher- or lower-class, though I suppose if there are it musy be more difficult to 'escape' your class background. France definitely has the generational thing with names (both specific names and also 'types' of name, as in Britain) - just look at all the French men in their 30s and 40s with double-barrelled Christian names: Pierre-Laurent, Jean-Marc, Jean-François, etc. ...
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t-i-n mentions Brazil. Does the class distinction in names which is very definitely part of English culture exist much in other countries in Europe? Or in America? I've often wondered.
From somewhere, I recall being told that it was a major factor in so many black Americans being given names like i.e. Duke Ellington.
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Click me -> About meor me -> my handmade storeNo, I'm not a complete idiot. I'm only a halfwit. In fact I'm actually a catfish.
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t-i-n in Greece the first girl is galled after her yia-yia (Grandma) on the father's side, the second girl after the yia-yia on the mother's side. First Sons are named after their Grandpa on the father's side, second son after the mother's father.....I dont know what happens after they've had all these children !
I came on board to tell you all that after racking my brains ever since this thread began I've remembered the best ever name of a patient I once looked after: Erminilda Whitehead
What a fab name ! She was very old, and said she had been named after an actress.
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t-i-n mentions Brazil. Does the class distinction in names which is very definitely part of English culture exist much in other countries in Europe? Or in America? I've often wondered.
From somewhere, I recall being told that it was a major factor in so many black Americans being given names like i.e. Duke Ellington. Duke Ellington's real first name was Edward.
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One of the best names I've come across in teaching was a little boy called Eric Purple! And I once taught a little Japanese boy called Johnny Christmas. Presumably the Japanese family adopted their English names when they immigrated here as he'd not been in England for very long.
What kind of name would you adopt if you were changing yours? I'm just plain Jane so I'd choose a polysyllabic first name, such as Isabelle, Rebecca, Miranda or Amelia, followed by a more interesting surname than my current one. Hmm...much harder to choose....I think I'd have to be Purple.
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