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Author Topic: EMBARRASSING, CRINGE-WORTHY ADMISSIONS OF IGNORANCE  (Read 4149 times)
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« Reply #45 on: 16:09:22, 13-09-2007 »

I think Kitty may have confused states with weeks, martle. It's an understandable confusion for a cat to make.
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« Reply #46 on: 16:12:33, 13-09-2007 »

Pelléas et Mélisande
Debussy's, Sibelius's, Schönberg's, Fauré's or any combination of the four?...
I've heard the Schoenberg but not the others. (I didn't even know there was one by Fauré.) I said I hadn't heard all of Pictures at an Exhibition, not that I hadn't heard any of it...

(to everyone else here) - I didn't even know that Richard had never heard those works that he's mentioned here until he mentioned it here...
I don't think that really counts as embarrassing and cringeworthy ignorance, Mr Hinton. You'll have to do better than that.
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« Reply #47 on: 16:13:47, 13-09-2007 »

With Saudi Arabia straight ahead. The big steak-shaped one on the water.
You dumbass, CD! (Well, you did say we could scoff.)
Yes, I'm admitting that I still think of islands and peninsulas as "floating" --but at least you admire my courage?!
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« Reply #48 on: 16:18:44, 13-09-2007 »

I think Kitty may have confused states with weeks, martle. It's an understandable confusion for a cat to make.

Puerto Rico and Guam, perhaps?

(Though, if that's the case, then she's forgotten to include the Virgin Islands and American Samoa, which certainly is embarrassing and cringe-worthy.)
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« Reply #49 on: 16:23:38, 13-09-2007 »

I've just been out for lunch, and I'm afraid the New York thing got worse, in that I've now realised that the lake in which the Statue of Liberty stands and the wide river with Manhattan Island in the middle of it must be constructs my imagination has produced over the years in order to maintain its belief that New York was some 100 miles inland.



Meanwhile, I have spent the last 18 years giving students the wholly incorrect impression that I know the first damn thing about European cultural history, let alone history more broadly. Only managed at all by desperate last minute reading (in one ear and swiftly out the other usually) and a gift for looking stern/ affable and trustworthy by turns, or as necessary.  Embarrassed
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« Reply #50 on: 16:27:05, 13-09-2007 »

To all those of you who have never heard Fidelio:
tut tut tut tut...

No, that's the 5th symphony, isn't it?

You want to try the math on that one again, Kb?
Maybe she's counting Iraq and Afghanistan.

So, what, is Australia supposed to be the 53rd?
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« Reply #51 on: 17:13:02, 13-09-2007 »


I can find California, Texas, Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine on a blank map of the USA fairly accurately, but any of the other 48(?) states are hopelessly lost.


Well, aside from the already-noted arithmetical hiccup, that's rather impressive insofar as I live in New England and still have to think for a minute about which one is New Hampshire and which one is Vermont.

And I've been to Vermont.  Quite a few times.

I did, at one point, know the capitals of every country in Africa.
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« Reply #52 on: 17:22:31, 13-09-2007 »

I can't get jazz at all I'm afraid. I try from time to time but so far no luck. Except with a few people but they then provoke a nose-turning-up reaction from REAL jazzers if I mention them so I've stopped mentioning them.
I can't STAND jazz.

And as for the poster who said there were no Mozart discs in his 1,500-strong collection - I don't have any, either.  I do have a couple of videotapes of broadcasts taped off the telly, but none that I've actually watched since.  I have been to oodles of live performances, mind.

Which leads me on to a further admission of... if not ignorance, probably philistinism (is that a word? dunno, maybe I'm just ignorant Grin): I am convinced that ALL of Mozart's standard-repertoire operas go on too long.  There is usually a 10-15 minute chunk in the last act.  In Zauberfloete, the end of the Trials seems like the finale, and then you realise Papageno still hasn't been married off. In Don Giovanni, the descent to hell seems like the finale, and then you realise you're going to get Leporello's summary of the story so far and a cheery ensemble conclusion.  In Cosi, it's the flippin' wedding scene.  Figaro and Idomeneo are both overlong to start with, but when some authenticity-freak chooses to restore customary cuts, they become interminable.  Did anybody see Glyndebourne's Idomeneo a few years back, with the ballet music at the end?  Shocked

Edited to say: Clemenza is near-perfect in length, but it wasn't until I saw ENO's production that I realised it didn't have to be boring!
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« Reply #53 on: 17:31:00, 13-09-2007 »

I did, at one point, know the capitals of every country in Africa.
This thread is very disturbing. That statement of Evan's just reawoke in me a childhood memory of a friend of my mum's who went to live/work in Ouagadougou. I remember being fascinated by the word. I'm sure my mum told me it was the capital of Upper Volta, but I hadn't thought about that for what must literally be years until just now, and when I did, I couldn't remember ever having heard a single other thing about Upper Volta since then.

I've just checked Wiki, and it seems Upper Volta is now Burkina Faso. I had absolutely no idea they were the same country. Moreover, Wiki says it became Burkina Faso in 1984, which is a good 4 or 5 years before my mum must have told me about it. I was obviously fed imperialist lies by my parents. Angry

I shall sue immediately.
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« Reply #54 on: 17:32:04, 13-09-2007 »

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I am convinced that ALL of Mozart's standard-repertoire operas go on too long.

I am with you there, Ruth - although I got my ears very severely chewed for saying so on TOP.

In the vain hope of promoting my favourite opera in the repertoire to others, maybe the lure of a Welsh soprano will prompt a bit of interest in FIDELIO?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ebXNo_J0Yz4
(Mind you, I would say you should really try LEONORE, it's a superior piece of work IMO)

Meanwhile I have to confess I don't know what Bluetooth is - unless it's an advanced form of tooth-decay?
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« Reply #55 on: 17:37:32, 13-09-2007 »

In Don Giovanni, the descent to hell seems like the finale, and then you realise you're going to get Leporello's summary of the story so far and a cheery ensemble conclusion.
Having thought about this one further, the finale is less guilty of overextending DG than the scene earlier in the act where Donna Anna and Don Ottavio come on (for her to sing "Non mi dir") and you think "Oh, not them again"...
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« Reply #56 on: 17:45:35, 13-09-2007 »

I've never read On The Road.

You haven't missed out on anything!

and for everyone who stuggles with the geography of America/ Eastern Europe/ England etc, I don't know where I am most of the time...
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« Reply #57 on: 17:51:23, 13-09-2007 »

Distressingly often nowadays I wake up and literally don't know where I am until I open my eyes. Should I be worried?
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« Reply #58 on: 17:54:44, 13-09-2007 »

I suppose it depends how beautiful she is?
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« Reply #59 on: 17:57:47, 13-09-2007 »

I said OFTEN, tinners...   Sad

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