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You know this phenomenon... somewhere in the middle of some great masterwork is a phrase, or chord progression, or fragment, which is unfortunately similar to some much more banal tune? Where have you spotted them? A couple which come to my mind are: ... in the "postspiel" after Rodolfo's Act I aria in LA BOHEME, there is a moment which is most unfortunately similar to the C&W song "I am my own grampa" (a hit for The Muppets in times gone by) ... in Menotti's THE MEDIUM (which I have to go and rehearse in 45 minutes) Monica's aria when she's simulating the poltergeist has a moment "Burn all my schoolbooks! Burn all my clothes! Give away! Give away!"... which is regrettably like "Bill & Ben, Bill & Ben, Flowerpot Men!"  |
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"I was, for several months, mutely in love with a coloratura soprano, who seemed to me to have wafted straight from Paradise to the stage of the Odessa Opera-House"
- Leon Trotsky, "My Life"
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Ron Dough
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« Reply #1 on: 08:57:27, 16-09-2007 » |
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I was stunned to find that there is a repeated theme in Mahler's Third Symphony which bears an uncanny resemblance to the 'Be Our Guest' number from Disney's 'Beauty and the Beast'.
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« Reply #2 on: 09:43:32, 16-09-2007 » |
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A phrase in the first mvt of Beethoven's Cello Sonata in C (Op 102/1) precisely anticipates Sousa's 'Stars and Stripes Forever'.
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« Reply #3 on: 10:49:32, 16-09-2007 » |
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is it the 1st 'romainian rhapsody' by Enescu that has moments that sound like 'love me tender', or the 2nd?
the giants theme from wagners Ring sounds like 'leader of the pack'.
the 1st theme in the last movement of Shostakovich's cello concerto no 1 (aagh, or 2?) sounds like 'roll with it' by oasis.
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Mary Chambers
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« Reply #4 on: 11:13:22, 16-09-2007 » |
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I've said it before, but I'll say it again - the Playful Pizzicato from Britten's Simple Symphony suddenly bursts into the signature tune of The Archers. The Simple Symphony is based on pieces Britten composed in childhood, this movement on a Scherzo from 1924, when he was 10. The Archers signature tune is Barwick Green, composed by Arthur Wood, also in 1924.
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Ian Pace
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« Reply #5 on: 11:15:35, 16-09-2007 » |
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I've probably mentioned this one before, also, but the last movement of Brandenburg 5 is very close to 'Yes, we have no bananas'. Also the tarantella of Busoni's Piano Concerto keeps wanting to turn into 'Nelly the Elephant'.
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« Reply #6 on: 12:58:07, 16-09-2007 » |
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There's that tune in Brahms' 1st symphony that morphs quite comfortably into the Ode to Joy.
Has anyone else heard 'Andy Pandy's Coming To Play' in the middle of Turangalila?
I've also detected traces of the Teletubbies theme tune in one of the Catalogue d'Oiseaux.
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« Reply #7 on: 13:35:39, 16-09-2007 » |
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Reading this thread I can't help thinking of a comment by Michael Caine in an acting class, if I misquote, it is my errant memory to blame: "Don't be afraid to steal, but only steal from the best" HH, that mention of the Teletubbies is worrying! Either you are a good deal younger (and more precocious) than hitherto suspected, or ... Of course, I never used to watch Play School when I was a student  |
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« Reply #8 on: 14:02:38, 16-09-2007 » |
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I could explain that I have three nephews and four nieces and that we are a very close family, but that wouldn't explain how I knew all about the Teletubbies before any of them were born. I'm afraid that when I was an undergrad, the four of us sharing a house had a Teletubby name. I did come up with a Freudian subtext to the whole show at one stage but I'm not sure if I can remember it now. |
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« Reply #9 on: 14:21:38, 16-09-2007 » |
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Carter's 1st String Quartet is riddled with the Roobarb and Custard cartoon theme music. Oops, that's the wrong way round, unfortunately, the Roobarb and Custard theme is riddled with Carter...
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richard barrett
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« Reply #10 on: 14:37:45, 16-09-2007 » |
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That reminds me. A little while ago I bought second-hand in some far-off land the double CD reissue of Carter quartets by the Ardittis and, though the CDs are correctly labelled, they are both disc 2 - the 2nd and 3rd quartets and the Elegy. If anyone has a correct disc 1 (I still have never heard the 1st quartet!) and are willing to copy it, I'm sure I can come up with suitable bartering currency.
On topic: It's been remarked upon many times that the Israeli national anthem is too similar to the main theme of "Vltava" for this to be a coincidence, but does anyone know why?
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« Reply #11 on: 14:52:15, 16-09-2007 » |
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One I've mentioned before - Jesus Christ Superstar appearing in the middle of the 1st mt of Tchaik 4.
Postman Pat makes an early appearance in Satie's Parade (and the Big Tune in Holst's Jupiter).
The Munsters theme tune has an uncanny resemblance to the fugue from Bach's G minor Fantasia and Fugue.
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Reiner Torheit
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« Reply #12 on: 15:24:42, 16-09-2007 » |
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Israeli national anthem is too similar to the main theme of "Vltava" for this to be a coincidence, but does anyone know why?
Maybe it was "wanted" that way? In the same way that early edits of films often have famous pre-existing music spliced into them, and the poor composer is sent away to "write 2'17" that sounds just like [Siegfried's Funeral Music]"?? I'm sure that's the reason a lot of film music "sounds just like" something more well-known. How that would figure with a National Anthem I'm not sure - it would depend if it was specially composed, or "adopted" from somewhere? (Japan has just adopted a brand-new anthem, for example - blowing motif-hunting from MADAM BUTTERFLY out of the water for future generations). |
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"I was, for several months, mutely in love with a coloratura soprano, who seemed to me to have wafted straight from Paradise to the stage of the Odessa Opera-House"
- Leon Trotsky, "My Life"
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« Reply #13 on: 15:26:31, 16-09-2007 » |
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One I've mentioned before - Jesus Christ Superstar appearing in the middle of the 1st mt of Tchaik 4.
This seminal Lloyd-Webber work was also the inspiration for the “Golden tropft Blatt um Blatt” bit of Richard Strauss’s ‘September’ On a slight tangent, I remember hearing a talk by John Willett in which he claimed the music for the ‘Benares’ song was not written by Kurt Weill but concocted by Brecht from ‘There is a Tavern in the Town’ and ‘One Fine Day’. I’m still not sure he wasn’t winding us up! |
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« Reply #14 on: 15:45:25, 16-09-2007 » |
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The theme from the Coda of the 1st movement of Sibelius's 3rd Symphony appears prominently in the incidental music of The Lord of the Rings films and, appropriately enough, Back to the Future!  |
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