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Author Topic: Irish TV miniseries: Prosperity  (Read 442 times)
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« on: 18:58:51, 20-09-2007 »

Hmm.  Socially away programming.  I imagine that how this new series that started airing on RTÉ might well be framed.  It consists of several 1-hour episodes unrelated except that their main character is in the lower classes.  I have to say that, in terms of usual RTÉ production-values (i.e. in terms of writing, screen-play, acting, and whatever else you might be able to think of.  Saying this, the series wasn't produced in house, but by relatively decent production company), this one is high above what I've come to expect.  Not entirely sure what I think of it though, but I don't think I'll settle on a negative opinion overall whenever I do settle.  Such programming as this is rather rare on Irish stations.

Is there much of a tradition of these sorts of programs in the UK?

Oh; these can actually be viewed online for the moment at:
http://www.rte.ie/tv/prosperity/

(well, three of them; the fourth has yet to be broadcast).

When watching them, I tend to feel rather self-aware, and whenever I might feel a twinge of sadness at a character's difficulties, the term "class-conscience" often springs to mind and then I have to convince myself then no, it's primarily a drama-induced effect, not a class-induced one.
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« Reply #1 on: 23:20:33, 20-09-2007 »

Yes, inkie, it's out of a long British TV tradition; in the 60s and early 70s (when there were but two and then three channels) BBC1 ran a famous series of socially aware drama called Play for Today, related to the film tradition which had sprung up soon after 'Kitchen Sink' drama (ordinary people in realistic situations) had replaced the frothy 'Anyone for Tennis?' comedies which were the mainstay of the British stage in the post war-era. PfT aired social problems in a way that nobody had ever seen before: one play, called Cathy Come Home, led directly the foundation of the charity Shelter, whose unified and focussed attention on the problems of the homeless and those in substandard housing has been a major influence on the publicising of these problems and their solutions ever since. Others of my generation and that ahead of me will remember other titles such as Edna the Inebriate Woman, an examination of alcoholism, and Leeds United, dealing with a clothing workers' strike. That Golden Age is long gone, but the genre has survived, though generally as a pale shadow. There was a series called The Street last year (due a second series soon) which had strong parallels with Prosperity, especially in the way that although each story was self-contained, characters from one would turn up in another.

In the UK, as in the States, and no doubt in Eire too, the power of these pieces nowadays is hobbled by the endless line of editors and overseers changing this and that: in the golden age a writer and director, or even a writer/director, would more or less have carte blanche, even if they also had the burden of responsiblity if it all went wrong. We see it on radio, as well; far too many of the decisions are made by people in management who have no interest (let alone expertise) in the artistic merits of the programme material per se.

Thanks for the link - it seems that all three episodes so far broadcast are still available; good production values, some excellent acting, and high guilt factor (but then I guess that's still almost endemic in a country with such a long Catholic history).
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« Reply #2 on: 23:23:39, 20-09-2007 »

Good Heavens, Ron...

... you're not suggesting that the Arts, and drama in particular (in this case), have the power to effect social change?  Wink
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« Reply #3 on: 23:25:51, 20-09-2007 »

Cathy Come Home led to the formation of the charity Shelter. A small step in terms of the wider problem of homelessness, certainly, but it did indeed have an effect. What were the changes in the law it brought about, Ron?

I'd argue that Boys from the Blackstuff at the very least had an effect upon public perceptions of unemployment, also.
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« Reply #4 on: 23:46:12, 20-09-2007 »

You're absolutely right there, Ian: I was telescoping far too much in order to avoid writing War and Peacemk ii. I've returned to the posting and modified it until such time as I can find chapter and verse.

Again, yes, I'd agree with you about Boys from The Blackstuff, though I'm sure you're aware that the series was derived from one of the last PfTs, The Black Stuff (1978, not transmitted until 1980):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boys_from_the_Blackstuff
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« Reply #5 on: 23:49:25, 20-09-2007 »

You're absolutely right there, Ian: I was telescoping far too much in order to avoid writing War and Peacemk ii. I've returned to the posting and modified it until such time as I can find chapter and verse.

Again, yes, I'd agree with you about Boys from The Blackstuff, though I'm sure you're aware that the series was derived from one of the last PfTs, The Black Stuff (1978, not transmitted until 1980):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boys_from_the_Blackstuff
A friend of mine is doing academic research into the relationship between music and the wider political/cultural environment in Britain in the 1980s, but is too young to remember those times clearly. I lent him the DVDs of the whole thing (which come with the original The Black Stuff) as I thought it gives as good a feel for the 'flavour' of the early 1980s as anything. Fantastic stuff - they don't make/commission such things any longer, alas.
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« Reply #6 on: 00:03:33, 21-09-2007 »

Even if it didn't have a direct and immediate effect on changing the law I think it's fair to say that Cathy Come Home, and the work of Shelter which stemmed from it, did set things in motion for the Homeless Persons Act  -  ten years later admittedly but it might have been far longer without.
   
And again, from the same Wednesday Play stable, Up the Junction, didn't bring about the David Steele Abortion Act but it played a significant role in informing the debate and focussing attention on what the status quo actually meant in practice.

Heady days. And Ken Loach is still at it, forty years on, though in the cinema these days rather than the telly.
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« Reply #7 on: 00:24:03, 21-09-2007 »

Thank you, GG, I though you might come up with something concrete (as indeed did many housing authorities).

Liverpool ( as well as being famous for music) had a very vibrant theatre tradition, and many of its actors and writers came up through the Everyman Theatre; Stoke also had a tradition which was very politically aware: they were more like European theatre companies than British. Nowadays it's considered the place of the  Soaps to deal with social issues on TV: but it's worth remembering that it was Brookside, yet another Liverpool-based institution, which was the torch-bearer for this practice.
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« Reply #8 on: 00:54:55, 21-09-2007 »

As well as the realist tradition in which Loach worked (and continues to work), Play for Today also provided an outlet for the radical experimental TV drama of Dennis Potter, which arguably was just as cogent in its social commentary as other work for that medium. And he could go on to make even more ambitious projects like Pennies from Heaven - difficult today to appreciate just how pathbreaking that was in its own time. When would any TV dramatist doing something equivalent in today's times get commissioned?
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« Reply #9 on: 09:11:13, 21-09-2007 »

I find this thread both dispiriting and, for the memories it provokes, uplifting - in almost equal measure. What TV! My mother (an English teacher in a comprehensive) made me watch Play for Today, on the grounds that, as she correctly believed as it turned out, we would probably never see its like again. Boys from the Blackstuff I remember being utterly gripping and so 'real' it was uncomfortable. There aren't many who can handle the medium of TV with the skill, passion and immediacy (let alone the personal stamp, as Ron says) of Bleasdale, Loach, Mike Leigh or Potter these days.
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« Reply #10 on: 09:18:43, 21-09-2007 »

More on the Wednesday Play/Play for Today to dispirit/uplift here: http://tv.cream.org/lookin/playfortoday/

I suppose the nearest we get to this sort of thing these days are some of the major one-off dramas on Channel 4 but they seem to be getting fewer and further between as time goes on too.
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« Reply #11 on: 09:22:24, 21-09-2007 »

There aren't many who can handle the medium of TV with the skill, passion and immediacy (let alone the personal stamp, as Ron says) of Bleasdale, Loach, Mike Leigh or Potter these days.

I think there are...  but it's so much cheaper to make programmes in which someone's front room is redecorated Sad   There are quite a few socially-aware directors working out there...  but their work isn't wanted in Bling Britain.
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« Reply #12 on: 09:29:22, 21-09-2007 »

There aren't many who can handle the medium of TV with the skill, passion and immediacy (let alone the personal stamp, as Ron says) of Bleasdale, Loach, Mike Leigh or Potter these days.

I think there are...  but it's so much cheaper to make programmes in which someone's front room is redecorated Sad   There are quite a few socially-aware directors working out there...  but their work isn't wanted in Bling Britain.

Point very well taken, Reiner.  Sad
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« Reply #13 on: 11:34:17, 21-09-2007 »

Well, I find myself asking the question 'why' such things don't get made or commissioned any longer? Do the wider public not want to see such things, or is that a misapprehension on the part of commissioning editors? Or is it simply about the need to make programmes that will guarantee instant ratings when faced with the competition from satellite television, which didn't exist in the heyday of Play for Today? Or, in a time of a 'camp' aesthetic that disdains realism above all else, combined with a post-modernist current (whether or not either of these things would actually be defined as such) that distrusts individuated subjectivity, are the likes of Loach, Bleasdale, Potter or their modern-day equivalents necessarily ruled out of court?
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« Reply #14 on: 12:04:04, 21-09-2007 »

but it's so much cheaper to make programmes in which someone's front room is redecorated
Quite so. Someone discovered at a certain point that you don't need to spend all that money in order to keep people watching, and in fact I believe that programmes like Who Wants To Be A Millionaire and Big Brother actually pay for themselves because of their premium phone-in features. Another way of putting this amazing discovery would be, as I've no doubt said ad nauseam on these boards, that if you treat people like idiots they will eventually start behaving like idiots. Plus there are so many channels to fill with "content" that the wishes of people who prefer the TV of the 1970s can be "satisfied" by their being fed exactly that.

I think broadcast TV "as we know it" is in the process of becoming extinct. I've now lived back in the UK for three months and haven't yet got around to hooking the box up to any aerial or cable. My five-year-old daughter likes to watch her favourite films on DVD but has never really watched broadcast TV either here or in Germany (apart from Under Sandmännchen which is a daily five-minute programme). I suppose I'll get around to it eventually, but maybe not.
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