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Author Topic: Christmas - love it or hate it?  (Read 2629 times)
Andy D
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« Reply #90 on: 23:21:08, 25-11-2007 »

I'm happy to announce that after a short tussle with Milly's quotes, I've been able to nest them properly. (See above.)

Don't you mean "earlier" not "above" Ron? Wink
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« Reply #91 on: 15:47:35, 26-11-2007 »

More pix of Brum's Frankfurt Market today, this time by rather gloomy daylight.

Here's the Garlic Bread/Knobi Brot stall, shaped like a big bulb of garlic



and here's a giant Father Christmas (I probably didn't need to tell you that!)



People enjoying themselves in front of the Council House



(click for larger image as usual)
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Andy D
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« Reply #92 on: 16:53:00, 26-11-2007 »

More shots from today. The Floozie in the Jacuzzi, as she's known, plus pigeons



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« Reply #93 on: 14:34:42, 27-11-2007 »

Here is George Bernard Shaw on the subject:

Like all intelligent people, I greatly dislike Christmas. It revolts me to see a whole nation refrain from music for weeks together in order that every man may rifle his neighbour’s pockets under cover of a ghastly general pretence of festivity. It is really an atrocious institution, this Christmas. We must be gluttonous because it is Christmas. We must be drunken because it is Christmas. We must be insincerely generous; we must buy things that nobody wants, and give them to people we don’t like; we must go to absurd entertainments that make even our little children satirical; we must writhe under venal officiousness from legions of freebooters, all because it is Christmas – that is, because the mass of the population, including the all-powerful middle-class tradesman, depends on a week of license and brigandage, waste and intemperance, to clear off its outstanding liabilities at the end of the year.
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« Reply #94 on: 18:44:39, 27-11-2007 »

Andy, these pictures look just like the Manchester European Fair... apart from the buildings that is !!!

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« Reply #95 on: 19:04:55, 27-11-2007 »

Here is George Bernard Shaw on the subject:

 a week of license and brigandage, waste and intemperance
Only a week! My, they just don't know how lucky they were in those day....
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Thank you for the music ...


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« Reply #96 on: 02:39:55, 28-11-2007 »

I wish I could find the tape...

SUDDENLY IT'S CHRISTMAS
Loudon Wainwright III


Suddenly it's Christmas,
Right after Hallowe'en.
Forget about Thanksgiving;
It's just a buffet in between.
There's lights and tinsel in the windows;
They're stocking up the shelves;
Santa's slaving at the North Pole
In his sweatshop full of elves.

There's got to be a build-up
To the day that Christ was born:
The halls are decked with pumpkins
And the ears of Indian corn.
Dragging through the falling leaves
In a one-horse open sleigh,
Suddenly it's Christmas,
Seven weeks before the day.

Suddenly it's Christmas,
The longest holiday.
When they say "Season's Greetings"
They mean just what they say:
It's a season, it's a marathon,
Retail eternity.
It's not over till it's over
And you throw away the tree.

Outside it's positively balmy,
In the air nary a nip;
Suddenly it's Christmas,
Unbuttoned and unzipped.
Yes, they're working overtime,
Santa's little runts;
Christmas comes but once a year
And goes on for two months.

Christmas carols in December
And November, too;
It's no wonder we're depressed
When the whole thing is through.
Finally it's January;
Let's sing "Auld Lang Syne";
But here comes another heartache,
Shaped like a Valentine.

Suddenly it's Christmas,
The longest holiday.
The season is upon us;
A pox, it won't go away.
It's a season, it's a marathon,
Retail eternity.
It's not over till it's over
And you throw away the tree.

No, it's not over till it's over
And you throw away the tree;
It's still not over till it's over
And you throw away the tree.
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« Reply #97 on: 09:21:13, 28-11-2007 »

Dare I suggest that the majority of people who say they don't like Christmas (whether you choose to celebrate the Christian festival or anything else) have no issue with Christmas per se, but hate being imposed upon by others - friends, family, retailers, advertisers?
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« Reply #98 on: 09:56:14, 28-11-2007 »

That indeed seems to be one of the constant themes running through the posts here, Ruth, and I also wonder whether the depressing effect that the time of year has on many people doesn't exacerbate the situation too, doubly ironic since the positioning of the Christmas Festivities was originally organised to replace older pagan ones, the Saturnalia and Yule for example, whose whole point was to brighten up the darkest period of the year.
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« Reply #99 on: 10:22:21, 28-11-2007 »

I find that the "magic" of Christmas has waned since the days when my 4 kids were small enough to find it magical. I still like the annual carols (bringing back memories for me of years gone by), and always still make something special for Christmas lunch. But I feel that perhaps its real joys have now been passed on to others with younger families, and I too get depressed a little by all the commercialism it attracts.

I shall never forget an encounter a couple of years ago when I was in the queue at Smiths: the lady in front of me rather abruptly asked the person at the till "Are these the only Christmas cards you have?". The till lady replied "Yes - but there's quite a large selection". The grumpy customer then said "I've looked through them all! It's really depressing to see that they're even bringing 'religion' into Christmas now!".

Oh well, I'm still looking forward to it somehow - it's only once a year.

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« Reply #100 on: 11:26:49, 28-11-2007 »

I find that the "magic" of Christmas has waned since the days when my 4 kids were small enough to find it magical.
I think it's quite sad that you (or your kids?) find that Christmas is something one grows out of.  If anything, despite happy childhood memories of "traditional" family Christmases, I have appreciated Christmas more and more since I have been an adult.  I've found that it's relatively easy to avoid the consumerist nightmare and keep it magical.  In fact, it makes it MORE magical to see the consumerist nightmare going on around you and know that you are not part of it.  For example, my church is just off Oxford Street, and on the fourth Sunday of Advent we habitually put all the decorations up after morning service, go out for a pizza across the road, then return to church for our carol service.  The brief glimpse of pre-Christmas consumer stress on the short walk from the pizza restaurant back to church makes the carol service seem like a haven for the soul.

I think I'm quite fortunate in that all my adult life I've had the freedom to treat Christmas just as I wish.  I suppose I'm lucky not to have the sort of family who expect everybody to do things in a certain way whether they like it or not.  And I absolutely love it Smiley

People who subscribe to the modern idea of Christmas in all its tacky, expensive, long-drawn-out, booze-soaked, debt-inducing awfulness have only themselves to blame if they become jaded and cease to enjoy it.  (I'd better state for the record that I'm not suggesting you're one of those, Baz Grin)
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« Reply #101 on: 13:25:50, 28-11-2007 »

I think there’s little point now trying to extricate the religious elements from the commercial ones at this late stage.  If I remember my RE, Xmas is a pretty small affair compared with Easter, isn’t it?  The ‘good news’ is the resurrection, not the birth; and the result is that the Christian festival never really came out from under the shadow of the Saturnalia.(indeed some Christians still view it with suspicion, don’t they)?  It’s unlikely to do so now.

As for people dreading Xmas, I think there is (and has been been for as long as I can remember  but it is getting worse imo) a tendency to try to have fun on cue; with the result that some people’s expectations are so high that disappointment is inevitable.  If you are one of these people or, perhaps more usually, if you live with or were brought up among such people, a dread of Xmas is understandable.


I don’t see any point in being miserable but there’s little in the festival for me.  There are fewer concerts than almost any other time of year.  There might be something good on the TV (chances have increased with new specialist channels) or radio but you can guarantee there will also be even more drivel than usual as well.  I I’m lucky I’ll get a project to work giving me credit to take time off in lieu when I can use it to my advantage.  Musn’t grumble, though.  I’ve got a fabulous week coming up just before the festivities begin:  Felicity Palmer & Simon Lepper in recital, then Jansons & the Concertgebouw Orchestra, then ‘Daphne’ (never seen it before) and finally Imogen Cooper before I head home.   
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« Reply #102 on: 14:50:05, 28-11-2007 »

I neither love nor hate Christmas. I certainly don`t dread it. A friend of mine effectively has an allergy to it. The mere mention of it brings on an attack of the grumps and much heavy sighing.

However, I do dislike the gorge fest that it has become. I really do find that aspect repulsive and rather obscene. People eating themselves almost into a coma "because it`s Christmas". Yuck. That`s not to say that I will have a small bowl of cold gruel accompanied by stale bread on Christmas Day, no, I will make something special and lay in some treats, I`m not a Scrooge!  It`s just that the sight of people pushing ridiculously overladen trolleys around the supermarket as though rationing was about to be introduced makes me feel Scrooge-like.

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« Reply #103 on: 15:07:47, 28-11-2007 »

‘Daphne’ (never seen it before)

Could be you're in for a treet (sic.)
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« Reply #104 on: 15:16:11, 28-11-2007 »

Indeed, Ron. The libretto is a bit, er, wooden but there's some beautiful music there.
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