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« Reply #90 on: 16:44:47, 04-01-2008 » |
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« Reply #91 on: 16:58:11, 04-01-2008 » |
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Reckon so, Andy. 12th night tomorrow, after all. Or is it Sunday?  |
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« Reply #92 on: 17:57:41, 04-01-2008 » |
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It's Sunday, martle.
The thing is not to take decorations down before 6 January.
In the past I have left cards up until 2 February (Candlemas, the final end of Christmas.)
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To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven.
A time to weep, and a time to laugh: a time to mourn, and a time to dance
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« Reply #93 on: 18:09:28, 04-01-2008 » |
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A superstitious person writes. Isn`t it supposed to be bad luck to leave them up after the 6th January?  |
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« Reply #94 on: 18:14:03, 04-01-2008 » |
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Pagan superstition. Don't let me stop you. But if you are celebrating a festival period, surely you continue doing so to the end. Tell you what, I'll keep the cards up to 2 Feb, and let you know if there are any disasters.
I think cribs look unloved after Twelfth Night.
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To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven.
A time to weep, and a time to laugh: a time to mourn, and a time to dance
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« Reply #95 on: 18:24:00, 04-01-2008 » |
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Um, Twelfth Night is tomorrow. The 5th. Christmas Day is the first day of Christmas, so Jan 5th is Twelfth Night. It's rather similar to the point you made about liturgical numbering conventions in a certain thread over in the Opera House  |
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« Reply #96 on: 18:31:24, 04-01-2008 » |
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I have noticed that 12 days does not end up on 6 January. Certainly, Twelfth Night is always held to be the Epiphany on 6 January. A number of possiblities.
A I am not very good at counting. But as you say there are 12 days before 6 January.
B The feast starts, like the Jewish Sabbath, the evening before.
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« Reply #97 on: 18:37:48, 04-01-2008 » |
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I had thought Twelfth Night was the night before the Feast of Epiphany i.e. the night of 5th/6th January. But I am delighted to see from Wiki that it is all much more complicated than that with differing 'traditions' taking different views.  Twelfth Night is a holiday in some branches of Christianity marking the coming of the Epiphany, concluding the Twelve Days of Christmas, and is defined by the Oxford English Dictionary as "the evening of the fifth of January, preceding Twelfth Day, the eve of the Epiphany, formerly the last day of the Christmas festivities and observed as a time of merrymaking".
The celebration of Epiphany, the adoration of the Magi, is marked in some cultures by the exchange of gifts, and Twelfth Night, as the eve or vigil of Epiphany, takes on a similar significance to Christmas Eve.
In some traditions it is taken to mean the evening of the Twelfth Day itself, the sixth of January. This apparent difference has arisen probably due to the old custom of treating sunset as the beginning of the following day. Therefore, according to confluent ancient traditions of the tides of time, Twelfth Night would have been celebrated as occurring on the twelfth day as different to the present custom of celebrating the day prior. Whichever it is, I always trot along to the W H Smith's "Christmas Card Recycling Point" on 6 January to get a handful of cards to decorate the house with. It makes me feel loved. The trouble is they have to go back the next day. |
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« Reply #98 on: 18:40:12, 04-01-2008 » |
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Our mum would say count the nights,
25 26 27 28 29 30 31 1 2 3 4 5
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
and our mum said take the decor down after 12th night, so 6th Jan
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« Reply #99 on: 19:16:02, 04-01-2008 » |
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I think you can take them down whenever you like, so long as they are there on Christmas Day.
What are the rules if you go away for Christmas, as I do? I didn't have decorations at home this year, except for cards.
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« Reply #100 on: 23:27:16, 04-01-2008 » |
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Twelfth Night is a holiday in some branches of Christianity marking the coming of the Epiphany, concluding the Twelve Days of Christmas, and is defined by the Oxford English Dictionary as "the evening of the fifth of January, preceding Twelfth Day, the eve of the Epiphany, formerly the last day of the Christmas festivities and observed as a time of merrymaking".
The celebration of Epiphany, the adoration of the Magi, is marked in some cultures by the exchange of gifts, and Twelfth Night, as the eve or vigil of Epiphany, takes on a similar significance to Christmas Eve.
In some traditions it is taken to mean the evening of the Twelfth Day itself, the sixth of January. This apparent difference has arisen probably due to the old custom of treating sunset as the beginning of the following day. Therefore, according to confluent ancient traditions of the tides of time, Twelfth Night would have been celebrated as occurring on the twelfth day as different to the present custom of celebrating the day prior. This is as complicated as Humph explaining the rules of One Song to the Tune of Another! |
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« Reply #101 on: 23:35:02, 04-01-2008 » |
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So when do I take the decorations off my aardvark?
Might do it now to avoid any confusion.
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« Reply #102 on: 01:18:43, 05-01-2008 » |
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So when do I take the decorations off my aardvark?
Might do it now to avoid any confusion.
 I liked you being uncharacteristically festive. My antlers and red nose are staying on as I don't know how to remove them! |
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« Reply #103 on: 15:02:36, 06-01-2008 » |
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« Reply #104 on: 01:23:47, 07-01-2008 » |
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A number of possiblities.
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B The feast starts, like the Jewish Sabbath, the evening before. That's certainly how it seems to work here. Last night after dark we had the parade of Los Tres Reyes through the city (I think this happens in every Spanish town). Celebrations continued through the night and Spanish children would have received their Christmas presents this morning. Today (Epiphany) is therefore the equivalent of the English Christmas Day, but Twelfth Night is presumably the night of 5th/6th. |
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