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« Reply #1410 on: 11:39:50, 20-03-2008 » |
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The next goal, 33,750 points, seems rather a long way off. Would Members prefer to have an intermediate target, at 25,000 points say?
We do hope some one solves puzzle 401 soon. It - almost certainly Elgar - is very familiar, but we have gone through all the Pomp and Circumstance marches, Caractacus, the Crown of India, Cockaigne, and goodness knows what else to no avail.
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« Reply #1411 on: 14:01:52, 20-03-2008 » |
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401 has been solved at last: Elgar's overture Froissart, opus 19.
We do think 33,750 is a long way off and if we are lapped the targets will keep on getting further away. We should like to express reservations about the fact the the scoring depends on the length of time between the setting and solving of a puzzle. If one were simply out to get as many points as possible (perish the thought!) then it seems the best way to do it would be to post something very obscure, then leave it for five days before giving very easy clues so that anyone can identify it, even though one may never have heard of it.
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« Reply #1412 on: 14:38:56, 20-03-2008 » |
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If one were simply out to get as many points as possible (perish the thought!) then it seems the best way to do it would be to post something very obscure, then leave it for five days before giving very easy clues so that anyone can identify it, even though one may never have heard of it.
Yes, unfortunately it may look as if I've tried to get myself into that situation with puzzles 379 and 380, but I really didn't.  I didn't think they would be 'got' straight away, but I thought a good 4 or 5 posters would be in with a chance - they're not that obscure! - and I was certainly expecting a few more guesses than I've had so far ...  |
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« Reply #1413 on: 16:16:23, 20-03-2008 » |
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401 has been solved at last: Elgar's overture Froissart, opus 19.
We do think 33,750 is a long way off and if we are lapped the targets will keep on getting further away. We should like to express reservations about the fact the the scoring depends on the length of time between the setting and solving of a puzzle. If one were simply out to get as many points as possible (perish the thought!) then it seems the best way to do it would be to post something very obscure, then leave it for five days before giving very easy clues so that anyone can identify it, even though one may never have heard of it.
Froissart - how annoying! We considered listening to it but vaguely concluded that the extract was insufficiently rumbustious. There do seem to have been a large number of obscure extracts - on the other hand a great many of them have been quickly solved by clever contestants. In the particular case of Mr. Now's 379 and 380 we do not hear any style we recognize so there is nothing to give a first foothold as it were. The best thing is probably to keep active - to provide, if the work is obscure, VERY easy clues early on. (But even that does not always work, as may be seen in the case of our 398 and 399.) The idea of a "repertoire challenge" was firmly rejected some time ago. |
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« Reply #1414 on: 17:31:17, 20-03-2008 » |
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t-i-n!
Please don't think I had you in mind. Neither do I have Bryn or anyone else in particular in mind but I wish he'd give us a clue to 372 before it expires tomorrow - the two-second snatch that is "too easy"!
The Froissart excerpt comes at about 40 seconds after the opening. The overture itself has a number of interesting moments but at 13 minutes long I think it would have benefited from some pruning.
And further to the official clue I gave on the test thread earlier today, I want to make it clear that all three (400-402) are connected in some way, not just 400 and 402. The composer's style in 400 becomes more apparent just after the snatch ends, I think.
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« Reply #1415 on: 17:54:50, 20-03-2008 » |
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Puzzle 399 is a symphony written by a man who in his life time was held to be the equal of Beethoven. Not only that, a good many of his opuses were published under the name "Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart." And the present work was played at the same concert at which Beethoven's "Eroica" symphony was premiered; the Beethoven work was judged to be inferior!
I think 399 is the Symphony in E-flat by Anton Eberl.  |
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« Reply #1416 on: 18:13:55, 20-03-2008 » |
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Mr. Inquisitor -75 for reply 2403 (off topic)
Mr. Inquisitor -75 for reply 2414 (off topic)
Mr. Inquisitor -75 for reply 2417 (off topic)
Mr Grew, we wish to lodge a gentle protest against the docking of 75 points, not once, not twice, but three times for offering answers to Mr Fragment's No.382. Mr T. Fragment clearly stated that as the puzzle was so difficult, he only required the composer's name, so that is what we attempted to provide: Puzzle 382 -- as compensation, here you don't have to give the title. Just the composer will be difficult enough. |
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« Reply #1417 on: 18:25:17, 20-03-2008 » |
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Mr. Inquisitor is correct; it is Eberl's opus 33, and we apologize if it is no longer really repertoire.
Well, there is this CD - was this the one Mr Grew used in his snatch, we wonder? |
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« Reply #1418 on: 19:07:46, 20-03-2008 » |
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Mr. Inquisitor -75 for reply 2417 (off topic)
Mr. Sudden -75 for reply 2420 (off topic)
Mr. Baziron -75 for reply 2421 (off topic)
Mr. Sudden -75 for reply 2423 (off topic)
Mr. Dish -75 for reply 2426 (off topic)
I am reluctantly compelled to point out, too, that the docking of points for my answer in posting 2421 is also 'out of order'! I attempted to identify the composer as asked for by the setter (and had hoped to receive some points rather than to lose them). Baz |
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« Reply #1419 on: 21:38:58, 20-03-2008 » |
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372 - Stravinsky - Jeu de Cartes
It's the third deal, and has given me a chance for a first dip into my Stravinsky box which arrived today!!  Bryn, you may have noticed my No.392 which was the Corigliano Phantasmagoria clip featuring quotes from The Barber plus The Marriage of Figaro...  |
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« Reply #1420 on: 21:58:44, 20-03-2008 » |
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Hurrah! You are correct for both 406 ad 407 IGI. The Sinding is the Violin Concerto no. 1 in A Major, Op. 45. Well done.
Baz
Was that the Naxos recording, Baz? The only Sinding I have, other than the Rustle of Spring, is the Piano Concerto on Hyperion. |
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« Reply #1421 on: 22:41:57, 20-03-2008 » |
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Mr. Inquisitor -75 for reply 2417 (off topic)
Mr. Sudden -75 for reply 2420 (off topic)
Mr. Baziron -75 for reply 2421 (off topic)
Mr. Sudden -75 for reply 2423 (off topic)
Mr. Dish -75 for reply 2426 (off topic)
I am reluctantly compelled to point out, too, that the docking of points for my answer in posting 2421 is also 'out of order'! I attempted to identify the composer as asked for by the setter (and had hoped to receive some points rather than to lose them). Baz Well, indeed. It seems to us that either the puzzle is valid in which case attempts to solve it should also be; or else the puzzle is void in that it asks only for the composer in which case bona fide attempts to solve it should be disregarded. |
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« Reply #1422 on: 00:13:28, 21-03-2008 » |
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Hurrah! You are correct for both 406 ad 407 IGI. The Sinding is the Violin Concerto no. 1 in A Major, Op. 45. Well done.
Baz
Was that the Naxos recording, Baz? The only Sinding I have, other than the Rustle of Spring, is the Piano Concerto on Hyperion. Yes, it was - it also carries the Romance in D major, Op. 100, together with the Sibelius Concerto in D minor Op 47, and the latter's Serende in G minor, Op. 69b. |
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« Reply #1423 on: 00:18:55, 21-03-2008 » |
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Thanks for that, Baz. I must investigate the Sinding further. No idea what 410 is, but what a lovely trio of violin concerto/concertante pieces, I must say! |
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« Reply #1424 on: 00:58:16, 21-03-2008 » |
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. . . puzzles 379 and 380, but I really didn't. I didn't think they would be 'got' straight away, but I thought a good 4 or 5 posters would be in with a chance - they're not that obscure! - and I was certainly expecting a few more guesses than I've had so far ... There is no finger-hold for our sense of style. Number 379 has a "sporting" connection - so is it Copland's Boston Symphony? Or Maw's Rugby Symphony? And in number 380 all we hear is rather too much percussion, and that could be almost any modern composer. Not Yun we think; perhaps an Englishman . . . To sum up: we are too inept to venture even a guess. |
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