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Author Topic: Two- to Sixty-second Repertoire Test Discussion  (Read 18090 times)
Sydney Grew
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« Reply #1515 on: 09:51:21, 28-03-2008 »

We are curious to know how that answer might have come about through Googling. Having tried every possible combination of the words variation, theme, mahler and orchestral - that is an entirely new name to us. We even followed Mr Grew's advice to Google for "variations on a theme of x", with Mahler substituted for x (and one or two other tries), as well as "variations on a theme by x" and far from the solution leaping out, it remained nowhere to be seen, unless it was on something like the tenth page.

What we suspect might have happened Mr. Watson is that you tried the phrase without quotation marks, and that is why you got a lot of not particularly relevant results. If you enter "variations on a theme of Mahler" into the Google search box including the quotation marks at either end, then at least in our case it gives only five results, of which the first and the fourth specify Klusak. The quotation marks mean "look only for a phrase containing the words in this order" or something like that we think; give it a try and let us know if it works!
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Tony Watson
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« Reply #1516 on: 13:44:54, 28-03-2008 »

We have tried it with the quotation marks and we get three results, the third of which give the required answer. How curious.

But we are very annoyed with ourselves for missing puzzle 459 as we have a recording of it! Our excuse is that it is hidden on a CD titled A Russian Concert but it really should be filed under Arensky as we were looking at his Egyptian Nights when we set our Egyptian trio not so long ago. At least that explains why we had heard it before.
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« Reply #1517 on: 14:46:23, 29-03-2008 »

Thank you for the hints Mr. Watson. Number 471 must be part of Bartok's Miraculous Mandarin we suppose.

You suppose correctly, Mr Grew.


Dash it!  I heard this clip and thought, "I know that".  I even said "Bartok" to myself.  But could I drag the title from the back of my mind....?  No.  I really should re-acquaint myself with my old LPs.

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« Reply #1518 on: 11:32:50, 30-03-2008 »

I've not heard any completions of The art of fugue apart from Tovey's (leaving aside Busoni's Fantasia contrappuntistica). Are there others which are worth knowing about?
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Baz
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« Reply #1519 on: 11:35:43, 30-03-2008 »

474 - this is, of course, the last (incomplete) fugue from Bach's 'Art of Fugue', but continuing into the 'completion' created by Donald Francis Tovey.

Member Iron is absolutely right there and gains over 800 points! (Incidentally we intend henceforth to update the points on the fly instead of three days later; so the numbers in the "Repertoire Records" thread will be adjusted quite soon, after we have finished uploading the current batch of puzzles.)


Thank you Mr Grew. This is just to say that - following our 'nuptial ceremony' yesterday ( Smiley) - I shall be spending some time with my other half in Paris from tomorrow until Friday. I expect therefore that when I return I shall see that my position in the Points Table has (rightly and justly) been overtaken by several other Members who, for some time, have been close on my heels! Have fun!

Baz
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« Reply #1520 on: 17:02:07, 31-03-2008 »

Must return to the fray.

Puzzle 472


I think this is Walter Zimmermann's Zehn fränkische Tänze.
I am correct, Mr Fragment! Zero points to everyone!

Oh, but I think some credit to Mr Garnett for guessing the composer.

I thought it was quite pretty. I don't know any of Zimmermann's music. Was this snatch representative?
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« Reply #1521 on: 17:05:28, 31-03-2008 »

Must return to the fray.
Puzzle 472
I think this is Walter Zimmermann's Zehn fränkische Tänze.
I am correct, Mr Fragment! Zero points to everyone!

Oh, but I think some credit to Mr Garnett for guessing the composer.

Why, thank you kindly, various Mr Fragments. So that really was 'just' a string quartet playing there.

Gosh! Extraordinary and rather wonderful .
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« Reply #1522 on: 23:04:17, 31-03-2008 »

Why, thank you kindly, various Mr Fragments. So that really was 'just' a string quartet playing there.

Gosh! Extraordinary and rather wonderful .
Here for a limited time is the complete 10 frankish dances. Yes, it's only string quartet.

No, not there; here!
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« Reply #1523 on: 23:17:45, 31-03-2008 »

Thanks!
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« Reply #1524 on: 23:22:24, 31-03-2008 »

Seconded!
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« Reply #1525 on: 23:27:25, 31-03-2008 »

I thought it was quite pretty. I don't know any of Zimmermann's music. Was this snatch representative?
As representative as anything. He's very hard to define, and I'm not the expert. Ian Pace would know better. Or you could just ask Richard (see below).
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« Reply #1526 on: 23:35:04, 31-03-2008 »

It's representative of WZ's Lokale Musik project, all of which is based on folk tunes from Franconia, the region where he was brought up - the "distance" of the music from its folk sources increases through the cycle, including a piece for two clarinets where the tunes are in the "difference tones" between the instruments, until all that's left is (I seem to remember) a solo percussionist playing musical "translations" of place-names. Here is a fine article by Richard Toop (who is currently working on a book about WZ). Ian has recorded the complete piano music, which is well worth hearing, and I have a 3LP set of the complete Lokale Musik but I don't think that's ever come out on CD; there are a couple of good CDs of more recent chamber music on Mode.
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« Reply #1527 on: 01:27:59, 01-04-2008 »

(wasn't sure which thread to post this in, so I've posted it in both)

I'm very pleased some members are interested to know more about Walter Zimmermann's music. As well as the discs Richard mentions, there is also a disc on Wergo of his stage works Singbarer Rest and Die Blinden (this Maeterlinck text has also been set by Beat Furrer). As mentioned, I have recorded his piano works (up to 1998); I feel Wüstenwanderung is the finest of these. It has also been recorded by Daniel Seel (on a recital disc on Hat Art) and Hermann Kretzchmar (on one of the Mode discs), and has been taken up by other pianists including Philip Thomas and Heather O'Donnell. His longest piano work Beginner's Mind is on my discs, and also on an old LP by Herbert Henck - an excellent performance (pianistically, at least - without making any claims for my own singing (quite out of tune), I think the intonation there holds its own against Henck's Wink ) well worth getting. Recently his music has become more eclectic; I'm not sure quite where this is leading, but the results remain interesting.

Walter's other string quartet, Festina Lente, is recorded on the Arditti's 'For Germany' disc (which also contains Mathias Spahlinger's fantastic quartet Apo do). This work is known colloquially amngst the quartet as 'The Rack', because of the agonising unisons they have to maintain for long stretches of time.

Lokale Musik has never been released complete on CD (some sections are available on the RCA Musik aus Deutschland series, though). There were informal ideas of Metier re-releasing it, but this hasn't yet materialised.
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« Reply #1528 on: 19:18:59, 04-04-2008 »

Having just returned from Paris - where is everyone, and why has nothing been happening?

Baz Huh
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« Reply #1529 on: 04:37:11, 05-04-2008 »

Having just returned from Paris - where is everyone, and why has nothing been happening?

Baz Huh
Burnout, I suspect; but also finding the right "difficulty level" for these snatches has proven elusive.

99% of the snatches I hear I cannot guess at all, and am only helped by Google and the Apple Itunes store; that can't possibly be the point of this endeavor.
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