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Author Topic: Two- to Sixty-second Repertoire Test Discussion  (Read 18090 times)
richard barrett
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« Reply #465 on: 15:22:52, 10-02-2008 »

Although the horns in No.59 sound Brucknerian, I'd advise members against further suggestions re symphonies by this composer!  Wink

So you mean it isn't no. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or 9 then...? (just to be sure)
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« Reply #466 on: 15:25:28, 10-02-2008 »

That last post was nine guesses by the way. And this one is off topic.

How do I do it?
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« Reply #467 on: 15:27:59, 10-02-2008 »

Although the horns in No.59 sound Brucknerian, I'd advise members against further suggestions re symphonies by this composer!  Wink

So you mean it isn't no. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or 9 then...? (just to be sure)

Definitely not by Bruckner, Richard, but if you wish to strengthen your position in the abyss, better post those guesses on the 'official' thread...
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« Reply #468 on: 15:33:00, 10-02-2008 »

Re Chopin etude: If the pieces are too obvious, then what's the fun? It becomes a speed contest rather than a sleuthing contest.

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inert fig here
Sydney Grew
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« Reply #469 on: 16:38:22, 10-02-2008 »

We think number sixty-two is Pousseur, but what we know not. There is a touch of the Swingle Singers too but it is not quite they.
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« Reply #470 on: 16:47:29, 10-02-2008 »

Although the horns in No.59 sound Brucknerian, I'd advise members against further suggestions re symphonies by this composer!  Wink

So you mean it isn't no. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or 9 then...? (just to be sure)

Definitely not by Bruckner, Richard, but if you wish to strengthen your position in the abyss, better post those guesses on the 'official' thread...
I can't even get that right!
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« Reply #471 on: 19:18:54, 10-02-2008 »

Here's a tiny snatch of a clue regarding my trio (57-59)  Wink

SendSpace only at the moment...rapidshare seems to be playing up.
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« Reply #472 on: 00:39:01, 11-02-2008 »

We say Hurrah! We have identified a piece we had not actually previously heard. We permit ourselves another small hop of restrained delight.



The Nielsen is an exciting little piece, certainly worth looking out for. I last heard it live at the Proms. The clip I uploaded is Järvi with the Gothenburg SO, but there is a DaCapo disc of Nielsen orchestral music conducted by Thomas Dausgaard which was rightly praised to the skies last year:

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« Reply #473 on: 01:00:51, 11-02-2008 »

We think number sixty-two is Pousseur, but what we know not. There is a touch of the Swingle Singers too but it is not quite they.

Neither nor.
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Sydney Grew
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« Reply #474 on: 02:27:14, 11-02-2008 »

Since our modernistic puzzle 49 is very near expiry, here are three hints: about one third of the way into the extract we will if we have our ears open sense a somewhat Sibelian emanation will not we?
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« Reply #475 on: 03:03:57, 11-02-2008 »

Boocoorechliaff the Bulgar, also dead, forgot the cry of gulls and the deep sea swell and the profit and loss. I suspect, however, that his music was more atonal than pantonal [...]

We knew there was something familiar about M. Boocoorechliaff. His name does not appear in our catalogue of recordings, but to-day we noticed his worthwhile book about Strawinsci - still on our shelves after having been purchased at a remainder sale many years ago. It is translated from the French by Martin Cooper. Here is a taste of Boocoorechliaff for interested Members:

"The generation that came to maturity after the Second World War have made musical history a conscience, a mission, a warranty and a weapon. They had been presented with a picture of 'history being written' by the just men and the martyrs - Schoenberg, Webern, Varese - whose path they must 'ineluctably' follow without equivocation or deviation of any kind, and without looking back, under pain of being considered (or indeed considering themselves) 'useless'. How could it have been otherwise? The forging of a genuinely contemporary language with the world in ruins and an exhausted musical language finished off by Schoenberg and gifted by Webern first with the grace of silence and then with a new breath of life - this demanded nothing less than total commitment. The generation that submitted itself to this revolutionary discipline was to give birth to something more, and better, than a new grammar - a whole new conception of music and a sharing of intellectual concepts - a common idea that was to spread all over the world and then gradually to recede, after enriching the liberty and independence of the individual with a radical experience that all had shared.

"To the obsessive idea of history as a progression and musical evolution as determined by necessity, Stravinsky opposed his own conception of history as permanence. This was the origin of the serious misunderstandings - now resolved, we believe - that had arisen between Stravinsky and this younger generation. Stravinsky regarded history neither as conscience nor master, but as his property and his instrument. He saw the whole course of history as available to him, and he criss-crossed it with abandon and delight, sometimes at the risk of losing his power of conviction. Why did he do this? In order to put the clock back? To support an imagination suddenly paralysed after the Sacre? No: rather to rediscover beyond but also at the very heart of the complex constellations of musical history, perpetually recurring down the ages, certain active constants. To reach down through this whole subsoil to the roots of his own musical invention and to a tradition conceived as living and experienced as necessary. And finally to look for complex and repeated answers to his own constant and unwavering demands in the worlds of the sacred, of the archetype and of style."

Here we see Boocoorechliaff playing an Oriental finger game with Georges Pludermacher:

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« Reply #476 on: 00:03:14, 12-02-2008 »

Number 74 is probably something of Satie, but we do not know what. If not Satie it must be Debussy. Number 75 could well be Johann Strauss Junior going through the motions, but what name would he have come up with on that particular day?
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« Reply #477 on: 00:06:49, 12-02-2008 »

Mr Baziron, time to do a little digging re a couple of your recent puzzles. No.69 sounds rather Russian...could it be Stravinsky? (If not Russian, I reckon Respighi could be in with a shout).
No.70, the solo piano piece, sounds French and I'd hazard a guess towards Monsieur Debussy.
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« Reply #478 on: 00:09:09, 12-02-2008 »

Number 74 is probably something of Satie, but we do not know what. If not Satie it must be Debussy. Number 75 could well be Johann Strauss Junior going through the motions, but what name would he have come up with on that particular day?


Some very good thinking going on there, Mr Grew! I'd go with your first hunch on No.74. No.75 by Strauss jnr should be more obvious once the correct connection is established between Nos.73-4.
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« Reply #479 on: 08:13:17, 12-02-2008 »

Mr Baziron, time to do a little digging re a couple of your recent puzzles. No.69 sounds rather Russian...could it be Stravinsky? (If not Russian, I reckon Respighi could be in with a shout).
No.70, the solo piano piece, sounds French and I'd hazard a guess towards Monsieur Debussy.

All three pieces (69, 70 and 71) are written by composers of the same nationality - one rather nearer to home than you might think! The first, while not therefore Russian, does (I think) show the influence of a particularly well-known Russian piece (originally written for piano but subsequently orchestrated by a Frenchman). Indeed it bears almost exactly the same title! As you would guess from the snatch, the recording is a very very old one (indeed one being conducted by the composer - now there's a real clue surely!).

The piano piece is by a very famous - and highly influential - composer highly significant to music of his own country (that does, indeed, show some influences from Debussy).

The choral piece is much older, and is linked historically with one of the most important choral foundations in its country of origin.

That's all you're getting (for the moment!).

Baz
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