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Tony Watson
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« Reply #3000 on: 16:18:31, 13-04-2008 »
Quote from: Baz on 16:10:57, 13-04-2008
Quote from: Tony Watson on 15:58:38, 13-04-2008
Another puzzle:

Puzzle 514

Could this be Spohr: Nonet Op. 31?

It sounds from around that time, doesn't it? But it's later than Spohr.
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Sydney Grew
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« Reply #3001 on: 18:18:10, 13-04-2008 »
Quote from: Baz on 16:01:41, 13-04-2008
Quote from: Sydney Grew on 13:34:25, 13-04-2008
Now a clue or two for puzzle 511: the composer - not Vaughan Williams but a well-known Frenchman by the way - described the work - which lasts about twenty-five minutes - as a "lyric scene." Debussy himself confessed that he found it inspiring and had copied some of the procedures. It is a product of the eighteen-eighties.

Well 511 then clearly has to be Berlioz: Cleopatre. (And if it is, I rightly hang my head in shame for having suggested RVW!)

No it is not Berlioz (who was not really a composer was he); but we confess we do not know the meaning of the name of this work. We have looked it up in a number of French dictionaries but it does not appear there, so it may refer to Cleopatra. Nor is the word in our Biblical dictionary even. Let us Google in another tab . . . well here she is and if not Cleopatra she is the same idea, not far away at all is not she?


It seems she comes from the Song of Songs (Hebrew Scriptures) and there is a Solomon connection just as there is in the case of Cleopatra but we lapse into outer utter vagueness at this point. The title besides being the name of this lady is also the name of a town in Tunisia.
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richard barrett
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« Reply #3002 on: 19:05:03, 13-04-2008 »
Quote from: Sydney Grew on 18:18:10, 13-04-2008
Berlioz (who was not really a composer was he)



Qu'est-ce qu'il veut, ce petit Grew?
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oliver sudden
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« Reply #3003 on: 19:06:55, 13-04-2008 »
Chabrier's La Sulamite for 511 peut-être ?
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autoharp
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« Reply #3004 on: 19:36:03, 13-04-2008 »
514 sounds like early Richard Strauss. Serenade for 13 winds?
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Tony Watson
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« Reply #3005 on: 20:34:31, 13-04-2008 »
Quote from: autoharp on 19:36:03, 13-04-2008
514 sounds like early Richard Strauss. Serenade for 13 winds?

It is early R Strauss; his opus 7 in fact. Well done!
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Sydney Grew
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« Reply #3006 on: 21:47:17, 13-04-2008 »
Quote from: oliver sudden on 19:06:55, 13-04-2008
Chabrier's La Sulamite for 511 peut-être ?

C'est ça Member Sudden! The composer of the farcical rustication the "Ballade des gros dindons" Emmanuel Chabrier's lyric scene "la Sulamite" of 1884. We are still not quite sure what the word means it being so frightfully hard to track down or look up but presume it simply refers to a tribal origin of this lady. It is such an excited ending that we shall one day have to get hold of the libretto by Jean Richepin and find out what exactly is going on.
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oliver sudden
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« Reply #3007 on: 22:03:29, 13-04-2008 »
Hourrah !

We can only offer this as elucidation:

http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/shulamite.html

But should one scroll down this page as far as Todesfuge one might see something a little sobering...

http://www.fa-kuan.muc.de/CELAN.HTML
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Baz
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« Reply #3008 on: 09:22:39, 14-04-2008 »
It is some time since (if ever) we have had a musical joke on this thread. So here is

Puzzle 516

It is somewhat 'enhanced' by the performer's deliberate use of notes the composer did NOT write (one of which occurs in the extract - delivered again on the repeat that is not here included). You might (just about) recognize the piece, but who will be clever enough to identify the performer (which is, of course, optional and carries no extra points)?

Baz
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Sydney Grew
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« Reply #3009 on: 11:13:02, 14-04-2008 »
Quote from: Baz on 09:22:39, 14-04-2008
It is some time since (if ever) we have had a musical joke on this thread. So here is

Puzzle 516

It is somewhat 'enhanced' by the performer's deliberate use of notes the composer did NOT write (one of which occurs in the extract - delivered again on the repeat that is not here included). You might (just about) recognize the piece, but who will be clever enough to identify the performer (which is, of course, optional and carries no extra points)?

The work is Prelude XII in F minor from the second book of Bach's 48. Tovey says of bars 32 and 50 that they "indicate almost the exact tempo" and that they are points where "inferior readings have corrected the 'false relations' which are harsh only when the flow is too sluggish"; perhaps these are the wrong notes to which the Member refers although we hear no sluggishness here.

We cannot venture the performer unless she was Wanda Whatnot?
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Tony Watson
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« Reply #3010 on: 13:29:27, 14-04-2008 »
A clue for puzzle 515.

The composer has an anniversary this year, although it is receiving less attention than others. Someone may know the answer, perhaps later today.
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Baz
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« Reply #3011 on: 14:13:53, 14-04-2008 »
Quote from: Sydney Grew on 11:13:02, 14-04-2008
Quote from: Baz on 09:22:39, 14-04-2008
It is some time since (if ever) we have had a musical joke on this thread. So here is

Puzzle 516

It is somewhat 'enhanced' by the performer's deliberate use of notes the composer did NOT write (one of which occurs in the extract - delivered again on the repeat that is not here included). You might (just about) recognize the piece, but who will be clever enough to identify the performer (which is, of course, optional and carries no extra points)?

The work is Prelude XII in F minor from the second book of Bach's 48. Tovey says of bars 32 and 50 that they "indicate almost the exact tempo" and that they are points where "inferior readings have corrected the 'false relations' which are harsh only when the flow is too sluggish"; perhaps these are the wrong notes to which the Member refers although we hear no sluggishness here.

We cannot venture the performer unless she was Wanda Whatnot?


The identification is correct. The wrong note (in this snatch) occurs on beat 2 of bar 18 where the LH inner part plays Bbb instead of Bb - this happens also on the repeat. The remainder of the piece, too, is littered with misreadings that the performer's ear is unable to identify. The performance was not live, but recorded!

It was not Wanda anybody - but the inimitable Leon Berben (the only player I know who has managed to play the entire cycle of 96 movements with at least 96 crackpot interpretations).
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Baz
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« Reply #3012 on: 14:17:24, 14-04-2008 »
Quote from: Tony Watson on 13:29:27, 14-04-2008
A clue for puzzle 515.

The composer has an anniversary this year, although it is receiving less attention than others. Someone may know the answer, perhaps later today.

515 - this is Rimsky-Korsakoff's May Night Overture (theme 3).
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Tony Watson
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« Reply #3013 on: 15:05:21, 14-04-2008 »
Quote from: Baz on 14:17:24, 14-04-2008

515 - this is Rimsky-Korsakoff's May Night Overture (theme 3).

Yes it is. RK could turn out a nice tune when he wanted to.
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Sydney Grew
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« Reply #3014 on: 15:08:16, 14-04-2008 »
Quote from: Baz on 14:13:53, 14-04-2008
The wrong note (in this snatch) occurs on beat 2 of bar 18 where the LH inner part plays Bbb instead of Bb - this happens also on the repeat. The remainder of the piece, too, is littered with misreadings that the performer's ear is unable to identify. The performance was not live, but recorded!

It was not Wanda anybody - but the inimitable Leon Berben (the only player I know who has managed to play the entire cycle of 96 movements with at least 96 crackpot interpretations).

Indeed now that the Member points it out it does sound awful. We wonder where the player - we have of course never heard of this Berben - got that from. He does also make silly and unnecessary pauses, and has we agree little feeling for the spirit of the music. But then again would any one who had feeling for the spirit of the music ever try to play it on a harpsichord?

Here or here is another interpretation of the Prelude, also crackpot no doubt but at least it gets the B flat right.

Incidentally the Member has in his last message unknowingly suggested the idea for and even the name of a wonderful new thread which will appear to-morrow!

[Edit: extract replaced by another with reduced volume.]
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