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« Reply #30 on: 08:57:32, 28-03-2008 »

Anyone who is interested in old churches must go to East Anglia, which has the highest concentration of mediaeval churches in Britain, possibly in Europe. There's a treasure in just about every village. If you can't get there, the next best thing is Simon Knott's East Anglian Churches site, a labour of love if ever there was one. You can see his 700+ Norfolk churches and almost 600 Suffolk ones here (I've posted this link before, I think):

http://www.suffolkchurches.co.uk/

I have so many favourites, but here is one I love, more for its setting than its interior - St Botolph, Iken in Suffolk. It stands on a sort of promontory overlooking the Alde estuary. It has a partly thatched roof, and there are usually sheep in the churchyard:





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« Reply #31 on: 09:21:52, 28-03-2008 »

I very much want to see Wells Cathedral.

Here you go, Mort:



Just reading this fabulous thread, and surprised that no one had mentioned Wells before now - I played with my school orchestra there on tour once and fell in love with it. The 'scissor arch' in the picture is one of the most striking things I've seen in any English cathedral.

Mary - I know what you mean about East Anglian churches. I've not explored many up close, but I love the train journey from Ipswich to the coast, and you see all these Norman towers dotted all over flat and wet and otherwise featureles landscape.
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« Reply #32 on: 09:39:29, 28-03-2008 »

I mentioned Wells, trj, and I think someone else did too - lovely place.

At the other end of the scale from Iken in Suffolk is the great Holy Trinity, Blythburgh, "the Cathedral of the Marshes". No photo does this one justice. Somehow one always seems to come to it suddenly, like a vision, floating on light and water.

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« Reply #33 on: 10:08:06, 28-03-2008 »

I mentioned Wells, trj, and I think someone else did too - lovely place.

Oh yes, so you did. And Antheil.  Embarrassed

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« Reply #34 on: 10:20:03, 28-03-2008 »

I think that St Albans should get an honourable mention here. A real treasure trove. I was particularly struck by the pillars in the Nave which had been restored to reveal the painted images undeneath, somewhat faded and fragile but somehow alive. I had a very strong sense of being able to reach out and touch the past.

Perhaps our esteemed Snorbans resident may have more to say on this subject? Wink 
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« Reply #35 on: 10:32:42, 28-03-2008 »

At the opposite end of the scale is the little Saxon church at Sompting, near Lancing, with its unique (for Southern England) Helm tower, built in around 960. It's a beautiful, peaceful little church (despite the A27 thundering past a couple of hundred metres away) - a place where people have found peace for more than a thousand years.  here too there's that powerful sense of stepping back into history.


 
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« Reply #36 on: 10:43:19, 28-03-2008 »

I'm with Mary on the East Anglian churches. So human in scale and such unforced perfection.

I'd like to add a mention for the Romney Marsh churches too. I love their loneliness and, I suppose, the fact that someone bothered.




   
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« Reply #37 on: 10:52:53, 28-03-2008 »

I've got a last minute guiding job at Hampton Court this afternoon, so I will return to here later.  I have been to Iken, but I have never seen the churches of Romney Marsh.  This is a wonderful thread.
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« Reply #38 on: 11:11:30, 28-03-2008 »

I think that St Albans should get an honourable mention here. A real treasure trove. I was particularly struck by the pillars in the Nave which had been restored to reveal the painted images undeneath, somewhat faded and fragile but somehow alive. I had a very strong sense of being able to reach out and touch the past.

I do so agree about those wall paintings, Mort. They are very simple, almost crude some of them, and as you say quite badly damaged but they speak very directly in a powerful way that you don't quite expect. There's a personal communication still from whoever it was who painted them.

For the building as a whole I think 'honourable mention' gets it about right Smiley. It's my local so I'm quite fond of it but it has to be said it's a right old mixture of about 800 years' worth of architectural styles all jumbled up together. It's matter of 'celebrating diversity' rather than gasping in awe at the architectural integrity as you do with blinding masterpieces like Canterbury or Durham.

Here's the fine Norman tower, built from Roman bricks salvaged from the ruins of nearby Verulamium.

                             
  
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« Reply #39 on: 11:30:23, 28-03-2008 »

And here's tower and iffy Victorian West front (and spare portaloos) together:



St Albans is a bit of an architectural mish mash, OK, but it is loved, cared for and used with scarce a trace of Establishment pomposity.
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« Reply #40 on: 11:55:17, 28-03-2008 »

Here's my snap of Blackburn Cathedral last year
NB - John OK, Romsey Abbey is a parish church.  Westminster Abbey, however is a Royal Peculiar.

Thank you for introducing me to 'Royal Peculiar', Don Basilo. I had to google it because I thought you were making a joke that I didn't understand!

I must show off this term at every opportunity Smiley


Durham has to be my favourite Cathedral -- not just because it's my local! I admit that I don't know a lot of Cathedrals inside and out but whenever I visit a new place I try to visit the Cathedral, and I still haven't found one to rival Durham.


I grew up near Lichfield and the view of the "three spires" on the skyline always tells me I'm almost home. I don't think anybody's mentioned it yet, but it is rather fine... here's a full page of photos on a web site with a rather interesting name: http://www.gotterdammerung.org/photo/travel/uk/lichfield/index.html Smiley

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« Reply #41 on: 11:58:28, 28-03-2008 »

I think that St Albans should get an honourable mention here. A real treasure trove. I was particularly struck by the pillars in the Nave which had been restored to reveal the painted images undeneath, somewhat faded and fragile but somehow alive. I had a very strong sense of being able to reach out and touch the past.

I do so agree about those wall paintings, Mort. They are very simple, almost crude some of them, and as you say quite badly damaged but they speak very directly in a powerful way that you don't quite expect. There's a personal communication still from whoever it was who painted them.

When confronted by the austere beauty of old churches and cathedrals, it's easy to forget that before the Reformation they would have been covered in brightly-coloured wall paintings - unfortunately, very few survive.  I agree that they have a really personal quality - I guess in smaller churches at least the artist would have done his best to relate Bible scenes to the daily life of the community around him.

(In my mind's eye I have a very strong image of the wall paintings in Kelmscott Church that were such a powerful influence on William Morris.  I can't find a decent image on Google but I'll try and post some of my own pics later)

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« Reply #42 on: 12:17:52, 28-03-2008 »

For those who like their Anglicanism high (in more senses than one), check out the funboat brickwork Noah's Ark that is St. Bartholomew's in Brighton. Betjeman called it 'one of the great churches of the nineteenth century - the cathedral of  what used to be called the "London-Brighton and South Coast Religion" with its incense, ritual, embroidered vestments and lights.'





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« Reply #43 on: 12:21:09, 28-03-2008 »

About time we ventured over the border to find a kirk or two.

This, just over the firth from us, is particularly fine and ancient: St Athernase in Leuchars, dating back to the 1180s.





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« Reply #44 on: 12:29:24, 28-03-2008 »

Well, I can't help loving the magnificent Norman (and part Anglo-Saxon) Abbey in Romsey, the town where I spent the first 18 years of my life; and I sang in the choir there for a couple of years. (I was head chorister for one year.  Embarrassed )

Would that have been this year, martle?


                        


And I do agree about St Bartholomew's, Brighton being a hoot (meant in the nicest possible way) and not to be missed. I paid my usual visit there before your 'Fairground' concert. An amazing place. It is right, isn't it, that it is built using the dimensions, or proportions anyway, of those laid down for the Ark?
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