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Author Topic: The Church Experience Thread  (Read 2008 times)
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« Reply #30 on: 13:08:49, 21-04-2008 »

This thread has made for fascinating, and educational, reading. Having read through the links I found that the Quaker 'code' chimed with me. My impression is that if they were to have a motto it could well be 'Above all do none harm'. The lack of hierachy is admirable.

There is a Friends Meeting House in Hampstead. I may well go along to one of their Meetings.
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« Reply #31 on: 09:37:19, 22-04-2008 »

The meeting I went to is in St Martins Lane.

As the Orthodox Good Friday is this week, here is a record of Great and Holy Friday in Camden Town a couple of years ago.  The Orthodox have a procession on Good Friday evening to represent the burial procession of Christ, carrying a flowered stand (the epitaphion) representing the bier.  This is the main public event of the year.

Here is the interior of the church on Saturday morning:



The epitaphion is on the left underneath the chandelier.  Here it is in closeup going round the streets:



and here it is swaying past the Sainsburys in Camden Town, snarling up the Seven Sisters Road back to the Nags Head:

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« Reply #32 on: 15:01:19, 22-04-2008 »

I like the philosophy of the doctine with the Christian Church. By birth, I am R/C. Soemtimes, though, I would hanker for High Anglican. They believe that marriages som etimes dont work for people and they still let them have communion. Whereas with the R/C church, its eith all or nothing. With the rise with the divorce rate, or people not staying together like they used to, this, I feel is the right way forward. On the other hand though, with all the goings on behind the scenes, would I actually take the jump and go over to the anglican side??
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« Reply #33 on: 16:36:28, 22-04-2008 »

or fall between two stools and become a Quaker?
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« Reply #34 on: 17:43:08, 22-04-2008 »

..or Methodist? or, like my daughter..Buddhist?

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« Reply #35 on: 14:39:38, 04-05-2008 »

bbm mentioned a real ecclesiastical quagmire, divorce.

The only mention Jesus makes in the gospels about sex and marriage at all is to say that divorce is not possible.  I hope this was to protect women in the Roman Empire, who could be summarily divorced by their husbands with no means of support.  It can lead to some very harsh situations.

The Orthodox Church allows marriage after divorce, up to three times (to lose one wife may be regarded as a misfortune, to lose three looks like carelessness).

The RC Church does not re-marry after a divorce, but the let out is that previous marriages do not count if they did not take place according to RC rites.

The CofE got its knickers in a twist because it recognised all legal weddings, not just their own.  They have adapted the rules.

The wisest thing I heard on the subject was from rather hardline priest who said that he thought that, apart from telling people not to be cruel to each other, the Church should have nothing to do with sex or marriage at all.

My advice to you, bbm, is grow where you are planted.  At some stage the grass is always greener on the other side of the hedge, but there's always difficulties wherever you may be.  The authoritarian tone of the RC Church is deeply off-putting to me (and as a gay man that is not surprising) but it sustains millions in their pilgrimage though life.
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« Reply #36 on: 15:31:11, 04-05-2008 »


My advice to you, bbm, is grow where you are planted.  At some stage the grass is always greener on the other side of the hedge, but there's always difficulties wherever you may be

Wise words Don B and thanks also to the link about Our Lady of Willesden, I really enjoyed reading the website about it as I had never heard of the Church before
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« Reply #37 on: 17:04:29, 04-05-2008 »

Willesden was a medieval parish church with a pilgrimage to the statue of Mary there.  The RC Church in Harlesden revived the devotion in the early C20.  A statue was placed in the Anglican Parish Church in Neasden Lane in the 70s. 

This is the interior, with an altar in the middle of the nave so everyone stands around it at mass.  The last parish priest was an amazing individual (he was very kind to me once) and he re-ordered the church and encouraged devotion to Our Lady of Willesden.  The blue balloons are for the festival.



Here is the churchyard, in a pretty grotty part of NW 10



And here is a picture of part of the  procession in honour of Our Lady of Willesden 2006 with baloons in use.  On returning to the church we all let go of our balloons, as a sign of our prayers going up to heaven.



The guy with the dreads in the middle was head of music at a secondary school, and is also a church organists, who is the zippiest hymn player that I know.

Like the Virgin of Willesden herself, and the majority of members of the Anglican Communion, most of the participants were black.

I didn't know they had a web site.  I will check it out.
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« Reply #38 on: 10:05:45, 06-05-2008 »

And in the last week of the Easter season, here is the Easter candle at St Botolph's Aldgate in the City of London, where it has burnt at every service since Easter Eve.

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« Reply #39 on: 13:58:53, 06-05-2008 »

Like you said Don Basilio, I might just as well stick to where I am. dont know about the wife yet. She is rather dissillusioned by it all.
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« Reply #40 on: 19:02:46, 06-05-2008 »

Like you said Don Basilio, I might just as well stick to where I am. dont know about the wife yet. She is rather dissillusioned by it all.

Well, if the problem is that being divorced you and your wife are being denied Holy Communion by the RC Church would it be so wrong to join in The Eucharist at a High Anglican Church?  If you feel the need to partake but your Church forbids you is it against the rules to seek it elsewhere?  It's still the body and blood of Christ whoever administers it, isn't it?

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« Reply #41 on: 10:53:59, 07-05-2008 »

Hmmm, sounds like a good idea. I am a bit concerned about the goings on, politically, with the CoE, though. Or should i just take the plunge.
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« Reply #42 on: 11:23:03, 07-05-2008 »

Well go along to an Anglican service and see.  Do bear in mind that they can be very different, and Brighton is particularly atypical.  Rumour has it that there is one evangelical church in the suburbs, otherwise Brighton is dominated by the catholic influence.  Father Wagner, the Vicar of Brighton in the C19 had Private Means, which he spent building one anglo-catholic church after another, the most spectacular being St Bartholomew's Brighton, reputedly to the dimensions of Noah's Ark (it is sublimely, wackily, spectacularly, outrageously wonderful.)

Many of the Brighton churches refuse to have women priests on principle.

There strikes me a key difference in RC and Anglican services which is hardly ever mentioned.  RCs know they ought to go to mass, but they do not necessarily participate much.  There are far more people at one service and far more services (including the decadent habit of Saturday evening masses.)  The thing that impresses me is that a vast number of people of all ages and backgrounds join together, but generally in a rather detached manner.

It is rare for there to be more than one service in an Anglican church and the services are less impersonal, whatever the churchmanship (whoops, exclusive language.)  The downside is that the members may see themselves as first of all being a member of St So and So's, rather than an Anglican or a Christian.  The congregations inevitably tend to attract the same sort of people.

St Mary's Kemp Town has a very sweet vicar who works in a bank during the week.

http://www.stmaryschurchbrighton.co.uk/

I suspect the photo called "Some members of the church" is everyone in church that Sunday.

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« Reply #43 on: 11:35:08, 07-05-2008 »

Just seen you're not in Brighton but Haywards Heath.  Don't know it myself, but the web reveals it has some of the Church of England's less architecturally magificent buidlings



The Ascension, Hayward's Heath
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« Reply #44 on: 11:49:11, 07-05-2008 »

Rumour has it that there is one evangelical church in the suburbs

Ironically enough, it's actually less than 100 yards from St Bart's (I almost typed 100 years).
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