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Kittybriton
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« on: 20:53:39, 03-11-2008 »

Since the Grumpy Old Rant room seems to have started quite a brisk discussion about alternative therapies, I thought perhaps it would be helpful to continue the discussions here.

Sofa ducks are welcome to practice their quackery.

I suffer from on and off sinus problems.  I have had homeopathic treatment.  Maybe it is psychological but I don't see how after taking the tablets and I can feel my nose starting to run and clear that I have induced that myself?

I know acupuncture is a different case but I went to see my GP  and a  locum was there.  I explained the problem and he asked if I would like to try acupuncture, I said yes and he said lie down and I'll get the needles.  Result?  Half an hour later the difference was amazing.

I think the different branches of medicine can work together
One of the things I value about traditional Chinese medicine is the way that it presents a model of the human system that, for a noodle like myself, is much easier to understand.

And on the subject of iridology, again, I'm not aware of any solid scientific reason why it should work, but there do seem to be many diseases which can be detected in changes in the iris. Having said that, I have also been told that a good dermatologist can tell more about you from a fifteen minute examination of your skin, than your GP might learn in ten years of periodic consultations.
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« Reply #1 on: 11:55:51, 04-11-2008 »

Anty, dear, you have a perfectly wonderful nose. A nose as perfect as yours should never give you any grief or discomfort. We are all in awe of your beautiful nose.





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Complementary!  Embarrassed

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« Reply #2 on: 12:04:57, 04-11-2008 »

You've made me grin, IRF Grin So many times at work I've seen documents referring to our range of 'complimentary therapies' and it always conjures up an image of me being with a patient and saying 'Oh WOW! Your hair looks GREAT. LOVE the dress. That colour is just so you. FABULOUS shoes!'. Mind you, guess that might feel them feel pretty good as well Cheesy
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« Reply #3 on: 12:28:58, 04-11-2008 »

You've made me grin, IRF Grin So many times at work I've seen documents referring to our range of 'complimentary therapies' and it always conjures up an image of me being with a patient and saying 'Oh WOW! Your hair looks GREAT. LOVE the dress. That colour is just so you. FABULOUS shoes!'. Mind you, guess that might feel them feel pretty good as well Cheesy
I'd like that kind of therapy.  Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: 12:43:13, 04-11-2008 »

You've made me grin, IRF Grin So many times at work I've seen documents referring to our range of 'complimentary therapies' and it always conjures up an image of me being with a patient and saying 'Oh WOW! Your hair looks GREAT. LOVE the dress. That colour is just so you. FABULOUS shoes!'. Mind you, guess that might feel them feel pretty good as well Cheesy
I'd like that kind of therapy.  Smiley

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« Reply #5 on: 12:44:25, 04-11-2008 »

You've made me grin, IRF Grin So many times at work I've seen documents referring to our range of 'complimentary therapies' and it always conjures up an image of me being with a patient and saying 'Oh WOW! Your hair looks GREAT. LOVE the dress. That colour is just so you. FABULOUS shoes!'. Mind you, guess that might feel them feel pretty good as well Cheesy
I'd like that kind of therapy.  Smiley

First one on the house, Ruby. Because you are sooo worth it. Just LOVE that coat btw! Is it new? Cheesy
Cheesy Cheesy

Do you know, it is!  So good of you to remember, you are clever and thoughtful.   That's a great jacket by the way, and I love your hair up like that!  Where did you get the clip?   Wink
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« Reply #6 on: 12:52:30, 04-11-2008 »

Ruby, we could go into partnership! We'd be unbeatable! Cheesy Cheesy
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« Reply #7 on: 12:55:05, 04-11-2008 »



Well, hello, you two! Ding Dong!
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« Reply #8 on: 13:07:52, 04-11-2008 »



Well, hello, you two! Ding Dong!

Martle, you are an extremely naughty man and what's more, oh ... er ..cough. Ahem.

Your eyes are limpid pools of unfathomable loveliness the like of which I have never gazed upon before. I am breathless with amazement in the face of such wonder. Truly, you are a God amongst mere men. Nice sweater an' all! Cheesy Cheesy

That do you? Wink Grin
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« Reply #9 on: 13:09:35, 04-11-2008 »

Well, hello, you two! Ding Dong!

I don't think alternative medicine is being taken very seriously around here.


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« Reply #10 on: 13:18:42, 04-11-2008 »

I blame the sofa ducks (M.D. = Mallard Doctor)
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« Reply #11 on: 13:45:19, 04-11-2008 »



Well, hello, you two! Ding Dong!

Martle, you are an extremely naughty man and what's more, oh ... er ..cough. Ahem.

Your eyes are limpid pools of unfathomable loveliness the like of which I have never gazed upon before. I am breathless with amazement in the face of such wonder. Truly, you are a God amongst mere men. Nice sweater an' all! Cheesy Cheesy

That do you? Wink Grin
Sorry Mort, I was out at lunch - thanks for holding the fort.  Grin





He can't turn that into an innuendo, can he?
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« Reply #12 on: 13:58:06, 04-11-2008 »


Sorry Mort, I was out at lunch - thanks for holding the fort.  Grin

He can't turn that into an innuendo, can he?


If he can't then Tommo someone probably will Wink
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« Reply #13 on: 13:59:04, 04-11-2008 »

IRF would like to sincerely apologise for de-railing Kittybriton's topic. He is unable to post right now as he is, understandably, deeply considering his future options  Undecided

-- IRF's agent


P.S. He can be contacted via the usual channels if any journalists would like to run this shameful story. Rates are subject to negotiation  Tongue

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« Reply #14 on: 15:21:03, 04-11-2008 »

No probs IRF. I went gallivanting off-topic meself Embarrassed Roll Eyes

So, ahem, in an effort to return to complementary matters I'm bringing. over PW's response to my post on the GOR, to which I'll add my two bobsworth.

A criticism often levelled by doctors at alternative/complementary practitioners, I am thinking particularly of a Report funded some years back by The King's Fund, is that precisely because practitioners spend time talking with patients and discussing their circumstances, it is impossible to evaluate the therapies properly because of the 1 to 1 input and 'the therapeutic relationship', as though this somehow devalues the treatment. So, on the one hand, it's unlikely the treatment works because it's a load of unproven hokum, or the other hand, well we can't tell if it works or not because there's too much talking and hand holding going on. I've been dealing with this attitude from doctors for years now and I cannot tell you how  Angry  Angry it makes me. Particularly when I've seen positive results from my own brand of 'hokum' , where drugs didn't resolve the problem.

Curiously enough, there are almost the makings of a credible argument there - but certainly not one that should devalue the treatment.  If the healing process is in any way psychological, then time with the therapist will have an impact, and will be part of a mix from which it is very difficult to disentangle any one element of the treatment for evaluation.  But if doctors are saying that this means the treatment is not valid, they are simply displaying their ignorance of research methodology.

Indeed, there are 'almost the makings of a credible argument' here but, in my experience, when the healing process involves both psychological and physical intervention that is when doctors tend to be dismissive/suspicious We had an excellent homeopath who eventually left, saying 'The doctors don't like it when someone else prescribes pills, do they?'. I knew exactly what she meant. I have faced the same opposition because I use substances that enter the bloodstream, like conventional drugs. That is how they work. With the best will in the world, if someone is constipated, giving them some oil to sniff isn't going to sort the problem, any more than telling them to gaze at a packet of Senna.

At the risk of sounding cynical, I often wonder if some of the complementary therapies e.g. reflexology, massage, aromatherapy. homeopathy were not so pleasing to receive, not to mention lacking the side-effects of allopathic remedies, would doctors take them more seriously?

Overheard some years ago from a senior doctor talking about comp therapies to visiting doctors - 'Well, they don't actually do anything but the patients like them'. If I hadn't been, metaphorically, gagged and locked away in a broom cupboard at the time I might have had a reply to that Angry
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