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« Reply #1395 on: 06:55:12, 06-05-2007 »

jJGood morning, I hope that everyone of light sleepers are sleeping well now. It is 6.30 now and i am up early.

How do you like this quote by Merle Shain: We tend to think of the rational as a higher order, but it is the emotional that marks our lives. One often learns more from ten days of agony than from ten years of contentment.

In my case I think it is time for me to resign from the organization I was a part of for 6 years. It doesn't give me anything and it irritates the hell out of me. May be I am a bad person I don't know.

I will resign and forget about it. There are other venues and other tools to improve my music appreciation and knowledge. Looking at power play and music politic is not my thing.

Let it be, let it be ee
ta ta tata ta ta taa (Beatles).
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« Reply #1396 on: 07:06:32, 06-05-2007 »

t-p, you are not a bad person. I can tell from your posts that you aren't.

As you see, I am awake again, and have been since 6. Perhaps I'd better just give up and not expect to sleep. I don't have to do anything much today, so I suppose it doesn't really matter that my brain feels like a big foggy mess.

It's rained in the night, but not enough.
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« Reply #1397 on: 07:09:25, 06-05-2007 »

... on the topic of tea, does anyone here put milk in before the tea?  I think Constance Spry advocated such practice, if my memory serves me correctly.



On the occasions I take milk will my tea, it is milk first, except when descending to the level of the gutter, and using tea bags. I was advised, when young, that the practice of adding the milk to the tea was a Scottish abomination, on a par with adding water to acid, rather than acid to water (when diluting the acid, that is).
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« Reply #1398 on: 07:17:37, 06-05-2007 »

As I was saying ...
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« Reply #1399 on: 07:44:09, 06-05-2007 »

I am glad they settle that debate, Bryn. I have not have my cup yet. I am arranging some two Russian song for our trio. I never thought I would be doing anything like that in my life. In fact I thought my life was over (may be it is).

Good morning Mary. Since I have my grandmother as an example to draw my conclusions for sleeplessnes, all I can say is that her brain worked through the fog of it very well until the end. We all have this fog due to tiredness, hang over or something else. Women usually take it better (may be because they tend to children at night and are more use to it).

I don't think I am a bad person, but lately I feel very angry. I don't know if I am right or wrong, but hate was not part of my character. I was always very cooperative and understanding (I thought). The current situation I am in brings the worse of me out and may be I should put a stop to it.

I am a musician not a power player. It is appoling to me to see music business close and personal. I feel very irritated to see how people make their careers and how promotion of some people going, while others are struggling with no help what so ever. But who said life was fair? Some people are born princes and some are puppers.

I am with puppers, no doubt about that.
Sorry, I am allowed to grump in here.

Between us here I think that talented people find their way to success and recognition anyway. The more mediocre have to plot and manipulate etc. It is not bad really, but there is such a vicious fight for survival I suppose.

The sad thing is that even if you ask for a little help and understanding people don't respond and if you are struggling you have to help yourself. Other people are making careers and have no time of their day for you.

But enough of that. It will be water under the bridge soon. Not all people are idiots that help each other. Everyone for himself in this world (or is it always?).
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« Reply #1400 on: 08:08:04, 06-05-2007 »

My computer had locked itself for some reason and I took a while to get it working again.

If there's any comfort in knowing of a fellow sufferer, Mary, my computer locked me out too last night. Or rather it just wouldn't connect itself to the internet. Whatever I did (including weeping uncontrollably, trying to bribe it with cake, threatening blackmail etc) I just kept getting the message "Sorry, the attempt to sign in has failed". It just sat there giving out one of those great sad sighs that computers do every so often implying they have got an idiot operator.

Now, I'm all for pushing back the frontiers of knowledge at public expense and all that.... but doesn't some group of scientists come up with the formula for the perfect cup of tea, the perfect bacon butty etc every year? They seem to have done so for as long as I can remember.
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« Reply #1401 on: 08:24:10, 06-05-2007 »

My computer did the same, George. My computer analyst friend told me to unplug it or turn it off, after turn it on and the problem was solved. May be the poor thing is tired.
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« Reply #1402 on: 09:04:51, 06-05-2007 »

Hi t-p,

I don't think I am a bad person, but lately I feel very angry. I don't know if I am right or wrong, but hate was not part of my character. I was always very cooperative and understanding (I thought). The current situation I am in brings the worse of me out and may be I should put a stop to it.

I am a musician not a power player. It is appoling to me to see music business close and personal. I feel very irritated to see how people make their careers and how promotion of some people going, while others are struggling with no help what so ever. But who said life was fair? Some people are born princes and some are puppers.

When I was just about 18, I remember hearing John Lill say on some radio programme that the biggest challenge of being a musician was being very sensitive in terms of one's music-making on one hand, but also being very insensitive to all the politics of the business and so on. Very wise words. I doubt if there are many people who achieve some sustained success who don't either have some real ability or in some way produce something that 'sells', but on the other hand there are many who do have the former but do not achieve the success necessary to exercise that on a wide scale professionally. So much else is involved, so many power games, so many people who get an easy foot up the ladder simply because of who they know by pure luck/fortune of birth, so much discrimination (the pitifully small number of women composers with an international reputation is surely proof of that - there are certainly many more who deserve such a career; same with women performers, especially the ones who are less photogenic), and so on. It's difficult not to get frustrated by all this, whether it affects one personally or simply because one sees it in operation, sometimes quite blatantly. And it can be very consuming and take one's mind away from music-making. Is it best simply to try and ignore it? I'm not sure, actually: the fact that many who attain some degree of success and/or influence themselves (and usually the former begets the latter) often do so (ignore it) is perhaps a reason why these things are able to continue so much. I know so many awful stories (and occasionally have been involved with them) of composers ignoring performers who have been their champions in the past, when they are no longer 'useful' to them, performers ceasing to take an interest in less well-known composers when it's more in their interests to stick to more starry names, of those on committees, judging panels, running festivals, etc., wilfully using their positions simply to help 'their friends' (or those who it is in their career interests to help) regardless of anything musical, and so on and so forth. All of this can be very upsetting, very distracting, so that the easiest solution can seem 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em', and then just act in the same way. No one person, nor even probably a group of people, are likely to change or obliterate this, certainly not over any short period, but if just a few take the responsibility bestowed upon them seriously and attempt to use it ethically, that is still for the better. These questions are on my mind daily, but gradually have found a way of getting them into some type of proportion. Life isn't fair, but that shouldn't stop us trying to make it even a little fairer. I find it's often good to talk to non-musician friends about these things - they can frequently relate them to comparable things that go on in their own fields, and it can be relieving to find that out, realize that we aren't alone. i don't know the nature of the situation you are in at the moment, but I can more than understand if it makes you want to tear yourself apart about it. Just try to stay true to your own principles rather than get angry, if that's at all possible. I think that, as well as being worth it for its own sake, will make you happier and ultimately gain you respect even if some don't admit it.

On the other hand, there are definitely plenty of other people who are lent responsibility and try all they can not to exploit it in a Machievellian manner. Being on some selection panels or judging prizes with others has demonstrated that to me. There's reason for hope that not everything need be about cynical power games.

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Between us here I think that talented people find their way to success and recognition anyway. The more mediocre have to plot and manipulate etc. It is not bad really, but there is such a vicious fight for survival I suppose.

The sad thing is that even if you ask for a little help and understanding people don't respond and if you are struggling you have to help yourself. Other people are making careers and have no time of their day for you.

The awful thing is that it asking for help and understanding from others is often perceived as a sign of weakness. I don't believe it is, not at all, quite on the contrary it shows strength to be able to admit such things. Probably most people involved in music need that at some point, but many are too afraid to show it: through decrying those who do so, they often artificially attempt to convey an image that they are above all of that. Or, conversely, some are so wrapped up in their own personal issues as to be oblivious to those of others; some musicians or creative artists in general, in the face of certain hostility that they inevitably encounter, build a sort of protective wall around themselves to shield from that, which alas at the same time serves to make them also oblivious to others' plight.

In my country, sadly, it's still the case that many people (especially but not exclusively men, and of the higher classes - there are many exceptions, of course) seem uncomfortable about talking or communicating anything more personal, or responding to such a thing from others. At least in this medium, you seem very open, not afraid of revealing how you feel, however that may be. I admire that very much indeed, and it does garner respect and encourage others to do likewise. Now cyber-communication (of which I have an awful lot of experience in all its various forms) can be deceptive and sometimes dangerous - it's far too easy to become artificially 'close' to people you really don't know, who when you meet in real-life are quite different from how you imagined (makes me realise not least quite how significant a factor body language is). On the other hand, on this particular forum quite a number of people do know each other in real-life (and I deeply hope we'll all get to meet you in the near future), which alters the dynamics somewhat (in both positive and negative senses, arguably). But everyone develops their own way of communicating on here, there's no intrinsic reason why that is any less 'real' than any other form of communication (such as, for example, sending a handwritten letter). Also, some communicate privately with each other after perceiving distress or a need for help expressed publicly. It is, overall, for the good, I believe.

In music, people get jealous, resentful, bitter, etc. These are natural human reactions, I believe, and shouldn't be decried; it's worthwhile lending a sympathetic ear to those experiencing them. Sharing such things can be cathartic, it's surely better than acting maliciously upon them.

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But enough of that. It will be water under the bridge soon. Not all people are idiots that help each other. Everyone for himself in this world (or is it always?).

It isn't always, no. In any family, community, etc. you can see plenty of examples of people acting selflessly, helping others. What's hard to stomach is the fact that being selfish, ruthless, is sometimes both admired and also brings dividends. I don't think this situation can thoroughly change without major changes in the way society operates (including economically). But for now, it's not all like that, nor need the music world all be like that. One can accept that there are inevitably many people with the 'Everyone for him/herself' attitude and approach, but not feel one needs to be that way oneself, not judge so much as learn, simply don't act oneself in a way one does not like in others; I profoundly believe that is the most productive attitude both for one's own well-being and in terms of the implications for others.
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« Reply #1403 on: 09:07:25, 06-05-2007 »

Let it be, let it be ee
ta ta tata ta ta taa (Beatles).

I really want to see you transcribe on here the electronic bit from 'A Day in the Life'! Wink
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« Reply #1404 on: 09:37:44, 06-05-2007 »

Ian, thank you for a totally brilliant post, every word of which I agree with.
And just to underline, again, the world (or 'worlds', including the music world) is not devoid of good people; those who take their responsibilities - however acquired - seriously, and who work extremely hard to wield the power they have in the best interests of music, and those they genuinely perceive to be deserving of support.
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« Reply #1405 on: 09:54:54, 06-05-2007 »

Ian, thank you for a totally brilliant post, every word of which I agree with.
And just to underline, again, the world (or 'worlds', including the music world) is not devoid of good people; those who take their responsibilities - however acquired - seriously, and who work extremely hard to wield the power they have in the best interests of music, and those they genuinely perceive to be deserving of support.

Thanks, martle. Just one more thought that occurs to me in this context - even in many cases where there are people who seem to be acting rather ruthlessly, it can sometimes be the case that they are forced to circumstances over and above their own control. Some have to push an awful lot harder, say, to gain access to certain circles which others can take for granted through sheer good fortune. It's not always merely the responsibility of the individual. But at the same time, at best, some of those who've achieved their own success in such a manner can be very understanding of others who are in a similar predicament. As can others - I do know of a few composers from immensely privileged backgrounds who have had the freedom to do what they want in the all-crucial years when they are in their twenties, without the financial worries that beset others, but who at the same time have been extremely proactive in trying to help preserve or enhance a system which tries as best as possible to make life a little easier for those without such good fortune. They aren't necessarily composers whose work I personally respond to that much, but that sort of attitude surely commands the highest admiration.
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« Reply #1406 on: 10:34:59, 06-05-2007 »

meetings are rubberstemping affairs. You can suggest anything you like, but there will not be any follow up. The inner circle decides everything of any importance. There is only one person in charge.

"A committee is a group of people who make a collective decision which, individually, they do not necessarily agree with."
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« Reply #1407 on: 11:28:23, 06-05-2007 »

There are rules: winners of certain competitions must be invited.

Alas that seems to be the case for the majority of music societies. Competition winners are not (yet) prohibitively expensive on a level with long-established stars, but on the other hand the fact that they have won those competitions gives a 'selling point' for the concert. Just a thought - if you have people you would like to invite, but who aren't simply the latest bright young things fresh off the competition circuit, maybe have a think of whether you might be able to come up with an alternative way of generating interest in these people, another angle to disseminate amongst potential concert-goers, something like that? If you could convince the programme director of that (I can't but imagine that getting audiences in is a big priority for her) she might take notice? No easy thing to do, of course.
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« Reply #1408 on: 11:41:06, 06-05-2007 »

not judge so much as learn, simply don't act oneself in a way one does not like in others; I profoundly believe that is the most productive attitude both for one's own well-being and in terms of the implications for others.
This is all very good to read and worth all of us here bearing in mind. I don't want to be churlish, but, this being a grumpy old rant room, "not judging" might perhaps include not assuming that, because another contributor isn't interested in partaking in a heated discussion about some subject or other (on a messageboard at a particular time), they find that subject uninteresting or unimportant or irrelevant.

Just an idle thought. I suppose it isn't that important. I'd rather be accused of being "facile" than hammer away at "being right" until others lose interest.  Smiley
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« Reply #1409 on: 11:43:59, 06-05-2007 »

No Richard. I don't think I am right. I don't really know. I just think that it is better for me to resign and I am sad about it.
Certain people want to be current in their knowledge about what is going on in music. They are ladies of a democratic high society.
The funds are limited so young people that costs less are picked. That was clever manipulation as well. One can have more concerts or less. For example one can invite more expensive people so to say, but have less concerts.
This will give less oportunity to invite friends and useful people.
More concerts gives more opportunities. Can you see? This took me three years to see.

Winners of competitions are only interesting right after they win something. After two years people forget about them unless they attract some attention to themselves.
Now to be a winner of only one competition is not enough. One has to be a winner of several competitions.

But some people don't need competitions (Evelin Glennie, the pianist whose name escapes me - she playes different repertoire). 
I think that now winners of competitions are not very interesting performers. May be they are too young to exhibit some individuality.
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