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« Reply #6615 on: 20:57:46, 19-07-2008 »

Good news!  Very best wishes for it inky.  Got an interesting topic lined up?
More of same (so yep it's interesting, but a little tired to me).  Going to at least try to start revising and being diligent on Monday; if I can do regular-hour study for even a week that'd be good.  For a month would be unprecedented.  Anyway, see how things go.
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« Reply #6616 on: 21:12:48, 19-07-2008 »

Brother-in-law regaled us over dinner with the story of how the Red sea was created when the angel Gibrael overturned those villages of homosexuals, Sodom & Gomorrah, with a single wing.

Also more arguments for various things on the basis of 'naturality'/'unnaturality' than I care to recount.

BLECH

Sensitive person is he incy? Wink Perhaps he should do a Geology course if he wants to find out how the Red Sea really came about.
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« Reply #6617 on: 17:23:25, 21-07-2008 »

Changing the subject somewhat, I was on the phone to TV Licensing this afternoon, having received a red-rimmed letter from them informing me that I have no TV license, which both they and I already knew because I'd filled in a form explaining why I don't have one and sent it to them some time ago. Anyway the upshot is that they're apparently going to send someone round to "check". I wonder how that works. Firstly, I wonder if I'm actually required by law to let them in. (Anyone know?) They don't make appointments, I was told, they just come round. What if there's nobody at home, I said. Apparently they just keep coming until they find someone in. (Must be quite a tediously repetitive job during the summer-holiday season.) Then, what they'll find is a TV set connected to a DVD player, in a room which has an aerial outlet in it, which however doesn't work because it's disconnected from the aerial in the attic. It's impossible to check this because the attic is jammed full of stuff. So in the end they'll have to take my word for it anyway.

Apart from which, attentive members might recall my tribulations with CP Plus Ltd, parking contractors for Whipps Cross Hospital. In the end, threatened with legal action, I paid up. However, that seems not to have been the end after all, because although my bank account was debited to the relevant amount on 16 June, yesterday I had a solicitor's letter of the "pay up or else" variety.

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« Reply #6618 on: 17:35:52, 21-07-2008 »

Firstly, I wonder if I'm actually required by law to let them in. (Anyone know?)

I have always been told firmly by the  other resident of this household, not to let them in without a search warrant.  You could always try saying that.  Having a TV and an aerial might look a bit suspicious.

Any rate, Richard, best of luck.
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« Reply #6619 on: 17:42:29, 21-07-2008 »

All very trying, r. If it's any consolation at all, the car parking at Dundee Ninewells Hospital seems to be in the control of similarly dogged terrors: the sort that arrive at a vehicle instinctively a minute or two before the ticket's due to expire, and stand there with the penalty notice already filled in ready to pounce. There's a certain devilish satisfaction to be gained by arriving with thirty seconds to spare before leaving or affixing a second ticket....

Why exactly are debt collection agencies so inefficient? I have a cynical feeling that it's because they employ those who enjoy the power.  Angry
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« Reply #6620 on: 17:57:19, 21-07-2008 »

Firstly, I wonder if I'm actually required by law to let them in. (Anyone know?)

You're not obliged to, no. For that they would need to apply for a warrant for entry from a magistrate and would have to demonstrate to him/her that they had reasonable cause to believe that an offence was being committed. Having initially been refused entry doesn't count as a 'reasonable cause' ... but having a telly screen visible through the window and an aerial on the roof might, um possibly, sway some magistrates.
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« Reply #6621 on: 19:18:53, 21-07-2008 »

Changing the subject somewhat, I was on the phone to TV Licensing this afternoon, having received a red-rimmed letter from them informing me that I have no TV license, which both they and I already knew because I'd filled in a form explaining why I don't have one and sent it to them some time ago. Anyway the upshot is that they're apparently going to send someone round to "check". I wonder how that works.

I wouldn't worry, Richard. I live at an address which houses 5 flats - except that flat 1 doesn't exist. Flats 1 + 2 regularly receive threatening mail relating to non-payment of a TV licence and have done for at least 2 years. I actually phoned TV Licensing + have returned the occasional missive, but it keeps on coming. So do threats of dire consequences if debts are not paid by 2 presumably fictitious occupiers of my flat. No-one has ever come round.
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« Reply #6622 on: 20:48:56, 21-07-2008 »

Generally the legal state of 'nulla bonna'-no lootable haul- emerges when the barstewards can't remove property observe t etc and the 'debt' reverts to source-saves all the b:;$£!&t overheads of debt agents.
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« Reply #6623 on: 20:52:27, 21-07-2008 »

Then, what they'll find is a TV set connected to a DVD player, in a room which has an aerial outlet in it, which however doesn't work because it's disconnected from the aerial in the attic. It's impossible to check this because the attic is jammed full of stuff. So in the end they'll have to take my word for it anyway.

You could give them the controls and ask them to tune it for you.

I don't think they will get very far

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« Reply #6624 on: 21:19:39, 21-07-2008 »

Then, what they'll find is a TV set connected to a DVD player, in a room which has an aerial outlet in it, which however doesn't work because it's disconnected from the aerial in the attic. It's impossible to check this because the attic is jammed full of stuff. So in the end they'll have to take my word for it anyway.

You could give them the controls and ask them to tune it for you.

I don't think they will get very far

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Does it matter whether it's connected to an aerial or not?
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« Reply #6625 on: 22:29:14, 21-07-2008 »

From the TV Licensing website:
   
Do I need a TV Licence?
      
   You need a TV Licence to use any television receiving equipment such as a TV set, digital box, DVD or video recorder, PC, laptop or mobile phone to watch or record television programmes as they're being shown on TV. [My italics]

If you use a digital box with a hi-fi system or another device that can only be used to produce sounds and can't display TV programmes, and you don't install or use any other TV receiving equipment, you don't need a TV Licence. [Which surely rather contradicts the first paragraph: in any case, r doesn't really belong in either camp, so his situation isn't actually catered for.]
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« Reply #6626 on: 08:08:08, 22-07-2008 »

You've had me puzzling away there, Ron, trying to pin down the contradiction. I can't actually find one although I thought I nearly had when I got to page 8 of my Venn diagrams.

I think I would have said "install and use" in the second paragraph but, that apart, I read all this as meaning that r is catered for and fully in the clear in that he doesn't do any receiving of telly pictures either for immediate viewing or recording. The licence is for the act of receiving (which the feared detector vans are supposed to be able to detect) and if you don't do that, you don't need a licence.

Actually I've now got side-tracked on the separate mystery of why Big Barrett is 'r' while MabelJane's Little R is 'Little R'. So many puzzles to solve, so little time.
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« Reply #6627 on: 10:55:35, 22-07-2008 »

I got an angry letter from the TV Licensing people once telling me that I hadn't paid my license and would be liable to all the usual fines, searches etc. They told me that they knew I had a TV because I had recently bought a TV booster aerial from Amazon. I have to say, I find it pretty alarming that the Licensing people are able to keep such efficient tabs on how I spend my money, particularly as they weren't able to read their own database sufficiently to note that a License was indeed registered to my address, using the cunning alias of my wife's name.
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« Reply #6628 on: 11:01:59, 22-07-2008 »

And here's a grump of my own - the newsletter I'm responsible for editing and printing went out last week amid sleepless nights, remote working from the in-laws and what-not. And I found out today that one of the pages got duplicated by the printers, something I should have noticed in proofs (and probably would have done if I'd been a little more awake - thank God I don't have to operate heavy machinery).
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« Reply #6629 on: 11:14:17, 22-07-2008 »

But he's richard barrett, GG, therefore 'r'.

Isn't the contradiction that he has installed TV receiving equipment, though: it rather depends on whether their interpretation of the weasel word installed is 'plumbed in to an aerial', or simply 'situated within the house': the second sentence could be seen to suggest that any TV receiving equipment in the house could be deemed liable for a licence, whether or not  it's actually connected to an aerial.
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