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« Reply #1605 on: 13:53:27, 18-03-2008 »

I made a soup today, a mixture of onions, garlic, stock, carrots, barley, chickpeas, saffron, ginger, and coriander powder, and a blended-into-a-mush  tin of tomatoes (the token tomato bits in tinned tomatoes occasionally make me feel quite sad; I didn't feel I could deal with them today) and I'm finding the result to be quite pleasant, but also in possession of a rather bizarre aftertaste that I can't quite put my finger on, but which definitely triggers some taste-memory I have.   My first thought was that it reminded me of those pub bacon-strip crisps you can get, but now I'm not so sure at all.

Anyway, it's a happy day for soup in this house.
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« Reply #1606 on: 14:08:41, 18-03-2008 »

a blended-into-a-mush  tin of tomatoes (the token tomato bits in tinned tomatoes occasionally make me feel quite sad; I didn't feel I could deal with them today)
Can I ask what brand of tinned tomatoes you use?

I find that you really do get what you pay for when it comes to tinned tomatoes.  Supermarket brands, especially "value" brands, tend to be as you describe, but the pricier ones - especially Napolina - are much more substantial and flavoursome.

The supermarkets often have multi-packs of Napolina on special offer which bring them down to prices similar to Tesco own-brand.  Also, look out for dented tins in the reduced goods section.  The other variety I have been told is very good is the brand that Aldi sells - I stocked up on these at the weekend but haven't tried them yet.  These are about 27p a tin if I recall correctly.

If you're already using Napolina, I take it all back...
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« Reply #1607 on: 18:03:28, 18-03-2008 »

I agree with Ruth about tomatoes, Napolina are very good but some value brands are better than others.  It very much depends what you are using them for.

I saw the Delia Smith programme last night.  I will  not comment about the spaghetti bolognese.  I also read the Guardian G2 article published on Friday when they got two West End Chefs to do six of the recipes for a panel of food tasters.  Even in central London they had trouble sourcing some of the ingredients as she is so emphatic on what should be used (one product is only stocked by Waitrose) and, of course, they are all the most expensive ingredients.

This book is for affluent city dwellers with easy access to M&S, Waitrose, Sainsbury, Iceland, Morrisons, etc.  It is not for rural dwellers such as in Mid-Wales or Cornwall, or Scotland for example.

It is certainly not for a family of four in a run-down Council estate anywhere in the country who have to watch the pennies.  The Guardian costed out the recipes (making the assumption that there was not already cinammon, allspice, etc., in the cupboard.  This of course does skew the figures because obviously you would use the rest of the frozen aubergines, Green & Blacks Choc, creme fraiche, etc., you had bought in another dish).  However, the results were:-

Chocolate cupcakes £11.85
Chicken & Leek Pie £7.27
Omelette Savoyard £6.82
Moussaka - a staggering £14.61
Wild mushroom Risotto £9.87
Shepherds Pie £7.81

Someone on a budget will pick up a tin of own brand mince (probably only about 60% meat) and a 16p tin of tomatoes.  The Food Standards Agency did point out that all these ready prepared ingredients had added salt and also sugar in a lot of cases.

The risotto looked particularly nasty being based on Asda frozen mushroom risotto.  Also, because it used dried porcini which had to be soaked the total time was 40 mins instead of the usual 25 mins for risotto plus, being twice cooked the rice was the texture of mush.  (Recipe on next week's programme folks!)

When she was with the M&S product managers she predicted the future of supermarkets was to develop the market for tinned meat.  That is the way forward.  Because people can't be bothered and never mind supporting British Farming.

Nigel Slater (bless him) was very kind to her in The Observer and said if it encouraged someone to buy a tin of fried onions and a packet of Jus-Rol and a tin of chicken and put a home cooked meal on the table then it was better than defrosting a ready made pie.  I somehow think he had his tongue in his cheek.

She did do a nice looking steak with a spicy rub but never said what the rub was or where to get it or whether it was home made.  I guess you have to buy the book for that.

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« Reply #1608 on: 18:22:34, 18-03-2008 »

This book is for affluent city dwellers with easy access to M&S, Waitrose, Sainsbury, Iceland, Morrisons, etc.  It is not for rural dwellers such as in Mid-Wales or Cornwall, or Scotland for example.

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Someone on a budget will pick up a tin of own brand mince (probably only about 60% meat) and a 16p tin of tomatoes.  The Food Standards Agency did point out that all these ready prepared ingredients had added salt and also sugar in a lot of cases.

Also, does each individual recipe contain ingredients from a variety of supermarkets?  Somebody who's too lazy to cook properly is hardly going to faff about going to three or four different supermarkets for the ingredients for a single meal!

If I put my mind to it, I have access to every major supermarket chain I can think of - Tesco, Asda, Morrisons, Sainsburys, Waitrose, Somerfield, Iceland, M&S, Co-op, Lidl, Aldi and Netto.  I shop at all of them, from time to time - but never three or four at once!  And I am somebody who cares about my food.

So it's not just people on a budget who will cut corners from Delia's recipes - it's anybody who doesn't have all day to run between different shops!

Incidentally, in this context I would count myself as affluent - I know people who feed whole families on little more than I spend on feeding myself - but I certainly can't afford £10 a meal as demonstrated in those costings, and frankly I don't know anybody who can.

Interesting thread on the same subject over on this board, where the majority of posters are housewives and mothers on a tight budget as you'll see from some of their signatures!: http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=735089

Now I'm off to the Barbican... via Waitrose for a packet of dried porcini mushrooms for a recipe out of Gary Rhodes's "Keeping it Simple" book...
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« Reply #1609 on: 18:40:27, 18-03-2008 »

Ruth,

She is very particular about which brand (for example ONLY M&S tinned beef or lamb, ONLY Dress Tomato Sauces).  I have a choice of just three supermarkets, any of the others who stock what she recommends would mean a round trip of 34-40 miles to each individual one.  Think of the carbon footprint - think of the extra recycling and packaging  Shocked

Also, I don't like the look or sound of the meals.  Heavy on fat, salt and sugar and modified this and than.  Me, I'll just stick to my simple meals and the joy of knowing what went into them is pure and simple and not beef from South America but beef from British farms.

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« Reply #1610 on: 18:44:41, 18-03-2008 »

On the subject of salt and sugar added to branded products, there was an interesting R4 programme on 'salt' yesterday. After a few segments about the relative merits of 'different' salts  Roll Eyes and boutique (and expensive) salt 'products' from around the world, they wheeled on a medical professor who basically said it was all ballcocks, salt is salt (with the exception of some mineral salts), on average we get about 60% of our salt from bought products (added by the manufacturer), we need only a tiny fraction of the salt we actually consume, it's an old wives' tale that we need more salt when we sweat a lot (we can spare it and then some) and that our taste for salt is historical, dating back to when salt was used to preserve food. And of course, because it's a primary trigger of high blood pressure, it's also secondarily responsible for the greatest killers - strokes and heart attacks. Well!  Sad
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« Reply #1611 on: 19:20:38, 18-03-2008 »

Pah, I say to that. Said medical professor has evidently never walked through the salt flats of Guérande.

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« Reply #1612 on: 19:31:17, 18-03-2008 »

I never use salt in cooking, in fact do not have salt or sugar in the house.

I was persuaded to try a Schwarz chillie mix, couldn't stomach it, nauseating, just tasted of salt nothing else, had to dilute it with loads of Greek full fat yoghurt  Cheesy
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« Reply #1613 on: 19:32:30, 18-03-2008 »

Ha! Stick it in a sac rustique and tie a pretty ribbon round it and watch the suckers flock to it! I'm with the Prof. Seriously, isn't 'salt' merely a taste, like 'bitter' and 'sweet'? I can't tell the difference between table/ rock/ sea salt, except in matters of texture of course. There was a woman on that programme being all Jillie Goolden-esque about it and going, 'Ah, the saltiness is delicately delayed in this one, it's shy about revealing its limpid... saltiness; unlike this Guatemalan vanilla-rock salt which lends fish dishes in particular a robust and, er, vanilla-ish, er, saltiness...'
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« Reply #1614 on: 19:40:25, 18-03-2008 »

a blended-into-a-mush  tin of tomatoes (the token tomato bits in tinned tomatoes occasionally make me feel quite sad; I didn't feel I could deal with them today)
Can I ask what brand of tinned tomatoes you use?
Lustre  Roll Eyes  (the cheapest of the cheap I think, at least in my local supermarket)
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« Reply #1615 on: 19:45:22, 18-03-2008 »

Hah, Martle x Infinity.

I confess.  When Uncle Ron mentioned those black Scottish knobbly tubers he cooked in olive oil and coarse salt I did buy a drum of sea salt.  Mea culpa.  As Sister Jasmine Tapioca would instruct us to say whilst fumbling with our Rosaries.

But, having not experienced salt so many years I have ditched it.  Plain and simple for me.  And the flavour shines through.

Experience that cabbage in it's full glory!  
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« Reply #1616 on: 19:48:43, 18-03-2008 »

Ha! Stick it in a sac rustique and tie a pretty ribbon round it and watch the suckers flock to it! I'm with the Prof. Seriously, isn't 'salt' merely a taste, like 'bitter' and 'sweet'?

Er, have you tried that stuff martle?  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #1617 on: 19:54:49, 18-03-2008 »

Well, no, of course not <splutter> I mean why would I bother it's rubbish isn't it just like so-called mineral water what a scam, it's called a 'tap', duh-brain and another thing that modern music is the spawn of the devil degrading the minds of the young and don't even get me started on 'pop music if I had my way...
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« Reply #1618 on: 19:58:25, 18-03-2008 »

Just checking... I mean if anyone can tuck into a plate of new Noirmoutier potatoes boiled and topped with some beurre au fleur de sel de Guérande (and maybe just a couple of extra crystals on top juste pour la gourmandise) and tell me that salt is just salt, then, er, well no, I still won't believe it because it's not what my taste buds tell me...  Cheesy
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« Reply #1619 on: 20:01:58, 18-03-2008 »

Well, Ollie, I'm a big-hearted sort of guy and since you put it like THAT...  Tongue
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