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Mabeljane, re:#571 I posted this on the Violin and Viola thread..... When I was a teenager, I did a cheat on reading the clef. G above middle C in the treble clef is the second row up (Every GOOD Boy deserves food), and on the violin this note is a third finger on the 2nd lowest string (the D string).
In contrast, the 3rd finger on the 2nd lowest string of the viola is middle C. And in alto clef this is actually the middle note of the stave. So my cheat was to read the viola clef, but ignore the bottom line of the stave and mentally add another at the top. Then I would just fool myself that I was playing the violin and reading treble clef. Ledger lines became a problem, so I have now learnt to read the actual notes, and relate the to their (up to 4 possible) positions on the viola. I forget about fingers and just get to stop the string with whatever is handy......
However, I forgot to mention that sometimes this approach went wrong! I would forget that I was playing the viola, and instead a) think I was playing on an instrument with strings G, D, A, and E and b) think that I was reading the treble clef. So, what was written as the middle note of the stave, instead of being a 3rd finger on the G string (Middle C), became what I thought was the B above. However, as this B is a first finger on the A string, I'd play this as 1st finger on the second highest string of the instrument in my hand, which happened to be a D string. So I was playing the E a third above the note intended in what I was reading. (Confused?) Did you ever end up playing a third higher than you were supposed to? Tommo |
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pieces that call for the C The Buffet E11 C is quite good; so's the Noblet C but the intonation is just a tick more troublesome. The Buffet Prestige C is sensational but rather expensive if you don't have an orchestra to buy one for you - it costs rather a lot more than their professional Bb or A clarinets. (In a recent Woodwind-Brasswind catalogue: €3205 compared with €2660 for a Prestige or Festival Bb, €2916 for an A. Or with the E11 C at €1057...) |
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Thanks for that, Ollie. I was wondering where you had been in recent days. She hasn't got back to me with a price yet and I suspect she's going to shops or dealers hoping for a free valuation. But I suspect the asking price won't be that much less than a new one so I might as well go for new.
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« Reply #575 on: 18:10:14, 16-05-2007 » |
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Thanks for that, Ollie. I was wondering where you had been in recent days. She hasn't got back to me with a price yet and I suspect she's going to shops or dealers hoping for a free valuation. But I suspect the asking price won't be that much less than a new one so I might as well go for new.
Regardless of what you end up opting for why not pay a visit to the fine people at Howarth? They list a good range of things there including 2 Leblanc and 2 Buffet Cs and I've found them to be pretty good about letting people try instruments. If you see Andy Harper tell him I sent you. (Er, you'll need to use my real name of course.  ) ...Oo, you might like to learn from Ollie's experiences over the years and take a tuner with you.  Sorry if that seems obvious but on the occasions I haven't I've regretted it. And when I've found something not quite spot-on while trying the instrument but decided to get it anyway it has never gone away. |
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« Reply #576 on: 23:55:34, 17-05-2007 » |
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Mabeljane, re:#571 I posted this on the Violin and Viola thread..... When I was a teenager, I did a cheat on reading the clef. G above middle C in the treble clef is the second row up (Every GOOD Boy deserves food), and on the violin this note is a third finger on the 2nd lowest string (the D string).
In contrast, the 3rd finger on the 2nd lowest string of the viola is middle C. And in alto clef this is actually the middle note of the stave. So my cheat was to read the viola clef, but ignore the bottom line of the stave and mentally add another at the top. Then I would just fool myself that I was playing the violin and reading treble clef. Ledger lines became a problem, so I have now learnt to read the actual notes, and relate the to their (up to 4 possible) positions on the viola. I forget about fingers and just get to stop the string with whatever is handy......
However, I forgot to mention that sometimes this approach went wrong! I would forget that I was playing the viola, and instead a) think I was playing on an instrument with strings G, D, A, and E and b) think that I was reading the treble clef. So, what was written as the middle note of the stave, instead of being a 3rd finger on the G string (Middle C), became what I thought was the B above. However, as this B is a first finger on the A string, I'd play this as 1st finger on the second highest string of the instrument in my hand, which happened to be a D string. So I was playing the E a third above the note intended in what I was reading. (Confused?) Did you ever end up playing a third higher than you were supposed to? Tommo Quite probably! I've just remembered a trick I had which was to pretend I was playing in 3rd position on the violin (but I was actually in 1st on the viola) - can't puzzle out now how that worked but it did! I believe I played the whole of the Sibelius 2nd symphony like that! |
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« Reply #577 on: 19:14:47, 18-05-2007 » |
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This reminds me, I don't know why (  ) of when I went deaf... caused by a bad cold. I had to conduct ( in a concert ) 180 eleven year old boys playing the recorder in a piece in 3 parts. I have no idea what it sounded like but I was sure glad I couldn't hear it!!! A |
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« Reply #578 on: 23:08:36, 18-05-2007 » |
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Tommo I've just looked at 'Who's online'. You are apparently indulging in 'unknown action'. Stop it right now! You'll go blind!  In other news, my cat's in the sauna. You really have to be here, I suppose... Night all! |
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« Reply #579 on: 23:11:27, 18-05-2007 » |
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Sounds familiar, A. (Pardon?)
My Mum used to refer to the School Orchestra as the "Squawkestra"
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I've just spent a few entertaining minutes looking at the Torro website about Tornados - appaently, there was one in the town we used to live in before moving to York. Its struck a hotel less than 1/2 a mile from my old office!
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Tommo I've just looked at 'Who's online'. You are apparently indulging in 'unknown action'. Stop it right now! You'll go blind! In other news, my cat's in the sauna. You really have to be here, I suppose... Night all! So unknown that I didn't even know I was "doing it"..... Tommo |
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Sounds familiar, A. (Pardon?)
My Mum used to refer to the School Orchestra as the "Squawkestra"
This also reminds me that I didn't give out detentions when teaching but threatened ( and fulfilled the threat) of making the darlings sit at the back of the second orchestra rehearsal.... that soon shut them up!!!! A |
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« Reply #583 on: 15:25:14, 20-05-2007 » |
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Wish me luck
Another job interview on Tuesday
Just booked my hotel room for Monday night
Time to finish my presentation
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« Reply #584 on: 15:55:11, 20-05-2007 » |
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Good luck, brake a leg. What you say sounds so familiar to me. However, it is interesting to go and to meet new people. You may find good friends there. People are really nice (good). This fact always surprises me.
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