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« Reply #15 on: 12:31:07, 06-12-2007 » |
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I saw the RVW documentary in the Barbican cinema last night. Whilst it's good to see a project of this sort being undertaken at all, I have to say that I found it very unsatisfactory. There seemed to be no attempt to give the 2.5 hour film any structure: it jumped around chronologically, and seemed to be caught between a theme-based and a chronological biography. The music chosen was pretty random at times: why the London Symphony as a 'soundtrack' to RVW's first marriage, for example? Equally, pretty shots of Gloucester cathedral were slotted into the film at seemingly random points; and the pictures of the British countryside and coastline, whilst lovely, were terribly hackneyed. Not as bad, however, as the modern footage of warfare and of sick, dying or dead children (one of which was used repeatedly and, distressing as it was, seemed of marginal relevance at best. It is hard for me to comment on the quality of the specially recorded music, as the Barbican sound system was set at such a high volume that all the loud passages distorted dreadfully. The filming of the musicians was unimpressive however (lots of pictures of strings playing four abreast for some reason), and I could have done with a lot less footage of Tamas Vasary and Sian Edwards conducting. As for Barbara Dickson singing a RVW song: why, for heaven's sake?
The chief value of the film lay in the interviews with those who knew RVW well, some of whom (Evelyn Barbirolli, for example) were very funny; and a very poignant interview with Ursula Vaughan Williams. Stephen Johnson provided the critical backbone of the film and was characteristically excellent and illuminating. But what was the point of an interview with Neil Tennant of the Pet Shop Boys? And why feature Sir David Willcocks and have him say only that RVW had very big feet?
I shall probably half-watch it again on New Year's Day (in a state of somnolence), but I'm afraid it lacked focus. Tony Palmer said in his introduction that he was pleasantly surprised that 5 agreed to show the film uncut. I rather wish that, after the manner of RVW himself, he had availed himself of a committee of critical friends to advise him on the content of the film.
Having said all that, possibly the most shocking aspect of the evening was when Palmer read out his rejection letter from the BBC. Apart from displaying some of the most ghastly and incomprehensible management-speak I have ever heard, it was obvious that the writer had never heard of RVW. The letter refers to 'Mr V Williams' and closes by asking Palmer to inform the BBC if Mr V Williams produces anything of interest in the future. Unless this was a BBC joke at the expense of Palmer (unlikely), this depressed me more than anything I have heard on Radio 3 in recent years. I hope the letter is given a wider circulation: the cultural and political world really needs to know what is going on at the BBC.
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« Reply #16 on: 15:16:03, 06-12-2007 » |
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Thank you for that report, Ulrica. I will very probably still sit slumped in front of it, crumpled RVW-style, on New Year's Day to see the valuable bits that you have described but what you say does tend to conform my fears about the film, based on what I have seen of Tony Palmer's other composer biographies. This in particular... Not as bad, however, as the modern footage of warfare and of sick, dying or dead children (one of which was used repeatedly and, distressing as it was, seemed of marginal relevance at best). ... is something that he has done in many of those films throughout his career i.e. using actual footage of real recognisable individuals in terrible suffering or terminal distress in order to bolster some point he wants to make, usually how very much his subject and he Tony Palmer cares about these things. I think that using other people's intense suffering in this way is unforgiveable: morally unforgiveable and, although a much lesser crime obviously, artistically unforgiveable too. He did it, for example, in an earlyish film of his All My Loving (was it?) in which he sought to make a point about how 'relevant' rock music was to the contemporary world by using various tracks as backing to film of Vietnamese children being gunned down or burning with napalm. And he's done it regularly ever since. In my book that is repellent exploitation: using people suffering in extremis as objects in order to make a point. Sorry, choleric rant over. I just have a bit of a thing about Palmer, his methods and his missed opportunities. Some of the pre-publicity for the film referred to some 'revelation' unveiled in it which would change everyone's views of RVW and his music. Maybe a bit overstated from what you say?
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ulrica
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« Reply #17 on: 16:09:21, 06-12-2007 » |
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Thanks, George. There was a burning child in this one too. It begins to seem like a thoughtless directorial tic, which is if anything even worse. There is a 'revelation' slipped in at one point, which I won't spoil. I found it rather gratuitous, and it certainly did not affect my thinking of RVW or his music. bws u
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« Reply #18 on: 16:21:18, 06-12-2007 » |
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Thanks Ulrica. Fair point about not pre-empting what the film itself has to say. I will be watching but probably muttering into my beard with irritation all the way through.
Very glad to hear Stephen Johnson has a major part to play in it anyway. It was largely his 'Discovering Music' programmes on the Fourth and Sixth Symphonies that finally got me into RVW after many years of assuming that he wouldn't be for me and I'm very grateful to him for that.
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« Reply #19 on: 16:42:14, 06-12-2007 » |
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I was looking forward to seeing this film. Shame it sounds like such an annoying experience. finally got me into RVW after many years of assuming that he wouldn't be for me and I'm very grateful to him for that.
As I am to Ron Dough!
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« Reply #20 on: 17:31:03, 06-12-2007 » |
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r,
Thanks for that, which has made my day, particularly after the Shostakovich thread currently at TOP...
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« Reply #21 on: 20:43:19, 06-12-2007 » |
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particularly after the Shostakovich thread currently at TOP...
Which one is that?
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« Reply #22 on: 22:56:24, 06-12-2007 » |
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The one started yesterday by Rob G, labelled "Shostakovich 10", r: it's all gone a bit strange....
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« Reply #23 on: 23:21:45, 06-12-2007 » |
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The one started yesterday by Rob G, labelled "Shostakovich 10", r: it's all gone a bit strange....
Yes, a little pear-shaped, one might say, but it could still develop interestingly...
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« Reply #24 on: 09:43:19, 07-12-2007 » |
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The one started yesterday by Rob G, labelled "Shostakovich 10", r: it's all gone a bit strange....
Yes, a little pear-shaped, one might say, but it could still develop interestingly... I've spent a bit of time in recent days reading, with much pleasure, admiration and amusement, the entire thread (from last year) that Ron links to there, and which IGI linked to earlier in the Shost 10 thread: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbradio3/F2620064?thread=3048897Within the small world of R3 MBs, this is surely nevertheless a classic.
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« Reply #25 on: 13:26:27, 10-12-2007 » |
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Having said all that, possibly the most shocking aspect of the evening was when Palmer read out his rejection letter from the BBC. Apart from displaying some of the most ghastly and incomprehensible management-speak I have ever heard, it was obvious that the writer had never heard of RVW. The letter refers to 'Mr V Williams' and closes by asking Palmer to inform the BBC if Mr V Williams produces anything of interest in the future. Unless this was a BBC joke at the expense of Palmer (unlikely), this depressed me more than anything I have heard on Radio 3 in recent years. I hope the letter is given a wider circulation: the cultural and political world really needs to know what is going on at the BBC.
Covered in an article in yesterday's Observer. According to a BBC spokeswoman: 1. They have no record of Palmer being in contact with them about this film. 2. Also no record of said letter. 3. He refuses to let them see the letter or state who sent it. Wouldn't be surprised if he was just trying to get some front page publicity by BBC Bashing - always a good tactic these days. The letter itself looks like it was put together by the lads at Private Eye. The article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007/dec/09/bbc.tvnews
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« Reply #26 on: 13:47:55, 10-12-2007 » |
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I'm sure we all cringed at:
...[RVW,]whose best known symphonies include The Lark Ascending and Fantasia on Greensleeves...
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« Reply #27 on: 13:58:15, 10-12-2007 » |
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Well, it is the Observer BTW, received this from a friend - it's apparently the full text of the letter: ' Dear Mr Palmer, Thank you for your enquiry about the composer Mr V Williams. Having looked at our own activity via the lens of find, play & share, we came to the conclusion that a film about Mr Williams would not be appropriate at this time. This is essentially because we are... reconstructing the architecture of bbc.co.uk, and to do that, we need to maximise the routes to content. 'We must establish the tools that allow shared behaviours, and so harness the power of the audience and our network to make our content more findable. We have decided to take a radically new approach... and therefore free resources for projects of real ambition... So, given that this is the new vision for Vision, you will understand why a film about Mr V Williams such as you have proposed does not fit our remit. But good luck with the project, and do let me know if Mr V Williams has an important premiere in the future as this findability might allow us to reconsider.'
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« Reply #28 on: 14:04:14, 10-12-2007 » |
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Surely the full text would have included the name of the sender. I very much doubt its authenticity.
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« Reply #29 on: 14:44:50, 10-12-2007 » |
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Surely the full text would have included the name of the sender. I very much doubt its authenticity. Whilst its contents are indeed more suggestive of spoof than genuine article, I'd be surprised that, were it really authentic, it had not been sent to HMRC by mistake. I think that we could be reasonably certain that, if it had indeed been written by a BBC underling, it was not submitted to James Naughtie for approval before being committed to the Royal Mail... Best, Alistair
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