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« Reply #135 on: 10:13:32, 06-01-2008 » |
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If one goes in for comparisons and rankings  , I would have thought Handel's Op.3 would be a more interesting comparison to the Brandenburgs than Op.6, as Op.3's instrumentation is more varied. The Brandenburgs are scored unusually, to say the least, if one wishes to view them as concerti grossi. |
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« Reply #136 on: 10:15:56, 06-01-2008 » |
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I'm starting to wonder (a little bit with my other hat on) whether if we want to have a nice Handel v Bach chat (and I suspect we still have plenty to say on the subject) it might not be an idea to start up another thread for the purpose and leave this one for Messiah. Any thoughts welcome...  |
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« Reply #137 on: 10:18:10, 06-01-2008 » |
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College kid #1: I want to see the Messiah.
College kid #2: Like, actually? Or Handel?
College kid #1: ... Handel.
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« Reply #138 on: 10:20:06, 06-01-2008 » |
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...which reminds me, I do have a live Niquet Messiah lying around. (RIAS Kammerchor New Year concert 2007.) Must have a listen.
ollie, that's a fascinating performance: some refreshingly unconventional tempi and textures |
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« Reply #139 on: 14:46:46, 06-01-2008 » |
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On the other hand someone approaching Handel has a much better chance of being able to perform it without having Casals and Furtwängler looking over their shoulder.
Perhaps not on the international level, true - but Handel performances in Britain still languish in the shadows of Boult, Beecham, Hickox, Willcocks & Co. Viz: http://www.artemismusic.com/page.php?id=89 |
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"I was, for several months, mutely in love with a coloratura soprano, who seemed to me to have wafted straight from Paradise to the stage of the Odessa Opera-House"
- Leon Trotsky, "My Life"
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« Reply #140 on: 14:47:38, 06-01-2008 » |
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I've been listening to Part 6 of the Christmas Oratorio as Bach wrote it for performance today (6 January.) I'd forgotten how wonderful it is.
I really do like Handel, but I thought I would mention this.
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To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven.
A time to weep, and a time to laugh: a time to mourn, and a time to dance
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« Reply #141 on: 14:51:55, 06-01-2008 » |
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I really do like Handel, but I thought I would mention this.
Tush-tush, Don B, you're not supposed to like both. You are supposed to come down on the side of one or the other, optimally with a rant of partisan bigotry to "support" your claim. Then this summer the two sides meet-up to "settle it" in Eastbourne on motorcycles. |
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"I was, for several months, mutely in love with a coloratura soprano, who seemed to me to have wafted straight from Paradise to the stage of the Odessa Opera-House"
- Leon Trotsky, "My Life"
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« Reply #143 on: 20:04:18, 06-01-2008 » |
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I really do like Handel, but I thought I would mention this.
Tush-tush, Don B, you're not supposed to like both. You are supposed to come down on the side of one or the other, optimally with a rant of partisan bigotry to "support" your claim. Then this summer the two sides meet-up to "settle it" in Eastbourne on motorcycles. Eastbourne? EASTBOURNE?   One can see it now - the clash of walking sticks and Zimmer frames, the skirmishes between the bath chairs on the seafront. On the other hand ..... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/22/nasbo22.xml |
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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« Reply #144 on: 10:09:20, 07-01-2008 » |
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I've been listening to Part 6 of the Christmas Oratorio as Bach wrote it for performance today (6 January.)
Well the Xmas Oratorio is for a large part a compilation of already composed music. |
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« Reply #145 on: 10:15:54, 07-01-2008 » |
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Might be tricky to organise a compilation of music that had not yet been composed ....
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Don Basilio
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« Reply #146 on: 11:42:34, 07-01-2008 » |
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Well the Xmas Oratorio is for a large part a compilation of already composed music.
So what? |
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« Reply #147 on: 13:01:17, 07-01-2008 » |
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Well the Xmas Oratorio is for a large part a compilation of already composed music.
So what? Don said Bach wrote it for performance 'today' (6th Jan), my point being much of it was written already long before. |
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« Reply #148 on: 13:12:54, 07-01-2008 » |
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OK, got you Rob. Bach put it together for 6 January, and I understand the recits were newly composed (including the final accompanied piece for all 4 soloists). The music for the two arias and the opening chorus may have been pre-existing, but Bach still had fit the words to them.
The final chorale is "O sacred head sore wounded" which was obviously pre-existing, and pretty odd to my ears for Epiphany, but Bach must have provided the exhilarating orchestral accompaniment with trumpets, I would imagine for the occasion.
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To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven.
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« Reply #149 on: 15:52:01, 07-01-2008 » |
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OK, got you Rob. Bach put it together for 6 January, and I understand the recits were newly composed (including the final accompanied piece for all 4 soloists). The music for the two arias and the opening chorus may have been pre-existing, but Bach still had fit the words to them.
The final chorale is "O sacred head sore wounded" which was obviously pre-existing, and pretty odd to my ears for Epiphany, but Bach must have provided the exhilarating orchestral accompaniment with trumpets, I would imagine for the occasion.
I'm sure there is a chorus in the Xmas oratorio that sounds a lot like Handel's 'My Heart is inditing'? |
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