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Richard, I wondered about the "aesthetics of entropy" to, so Googled the term. The page I was led to seemed not to treat with self-organisation as a product of uneven entropic distribution. Perhaps a more complete outline of the concept might reveal that such considerations are indeed part of its remit.
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« Reply #106 on: 19:03:37, 11-01-2008 » |
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Maria Callas once said the purpose of music is to soothe the nervous system, which modern classical doesn't. I partially agree, in the sense that while I don't mind a bit of rough I do not like, so to speak, a diet of thirty strong coffees every day that fries my nervous system.
Do you mean this quotation, greenfox? It's the nearest I can find. "When music fails to agree to the ear, to soothe the ear and the heart and the senses, then it has missed the point." La Callas was an outstanding interpretative artist, but does that necessarily qualify her as an authority on music? Surely since its earliest days, there have been other points to music, too. If a tribal chant or the skirl of the pipes before battle soothe, have they not also missed the point? |
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« Reply #108 on: 19:21:51, 11-01-2008 » |
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This is just tiresome rubbish any reasonably mature adult should be ashamed of.
It was indeed precisely tiresome rubbish like the parading of "three university degrees" that led to my responding. It does not take "three university degrees" to enable one to think for oneself. Nor is being a teacher necessarily much of a recommendation. I hope, but doubt, that you are suitable ashamed of using such low tactics here. Here we go again. It is not tiresome rubbish to try and gauge the intellectual level of the anonymous internet, and go to hell for suggesting otherwise. I have no idea who is here; for all I know posters here are 14 year old teenagers or uneducated drug addicts finding refuge in music. Harsh, but true - and if you don't like me saying that, tough. I did not "parade" it, I stated it as fact and your objection says something about you, not me: that's the way the world works matey, I can't fix cars and don't mind if someone says they're an expert. And Nor is being a teacher necessarily much of a recommendation just shows childish "attitude" I hope you will reconsider when you are a) a bit older or b) become more intellectually mature even if you are 30....then again, I hope nothing because I just don't care. FYI the Mods have now acknowledged this problem and will no doubt consider your last remark as part of it. You have no idea what I think about my 3 degrees and how much value it has (and my view is not the conventional one), but it is a fact and it has significance. |
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« Reply #109 on: 19:28:06, 11-01-2008 » |
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I once heard Callas say it on a TV documentary; as I recall she referred to the "nervous system" but in any case that was her meaning.
I don't think she was an authority, I wonder for example if she would have dissed jazz - quite possibly. But I partially agree, in principle.
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You have no idea what I think about my 3 degrees and how much value it has (and my view is not the conventional one), but it is a fact and it has significance. Perhaps you could let us know then, because I must say your reasons for mentioning it were lost on me too. for all I know posters here are 14 year old teenagers or uneducated drug addicts Then you really don't appear to be paying much attention to what anyone says or the terms in which they express it. |
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« Reply #111 on: 20:02:41, 11-01-2008 » |
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There are good teachers. There are bad teachers. There are degrees won through hard study, there are degrees which simply formalize knowledge gained quite apart from formal study, there are degrees conferred for reasons totally unconnected with knowledge, and there are also bought degrees, including, let us remember, masters degrees purchased from Cambridge, Oxford, Trinity College Dublin, etc. That you have "three university degrees" says nothing of particular merit about you. The information is superfluous. You have been and will continue to be assessed on the quality of your contributions here. No more, no less.
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« Reply #112 on: 20:13:46, 11-01-2008 » |
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You have been and will continue to be assessed on the quality of your contributions here. No more, no less. Ditto, precisely so for you, annoying fool. There is nothing to be "ashamed" of about mentioning that - it is a fact of life in the real world and has significance. My 3 degrees have substance, you may sneer and say no they don't, and I will say you don't know that yes they do, and expend more energy on you than you deserve in useless cyberspace bickering. There are indeed good teachers and bad teachers, and nothing else there I don't know; and I suggest you shut up with your ad hominem sneering about me which is irrelevant here and under mod consideration. |
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« Reply #114 on: 21:06:54, 11-01-2008 » |
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greenfox, more energy on you than you deserve in useless cyberspace bickering From where I'm sitting the only person bickering is yourself. I suggsted earlier, you should use your skill and humour to rebuff any mischievous responses, we all have to do it, just look at my Composer's Minute thread, geez try and get an idea off the ground here sometimes takes some doing  If they think they are clever teasing you just do the same back, we can all laugh, whereas you really do not help yourself with comments like Ditto, precisely so for you, annoying fool........ I suggest you shut up with your ad hominem sneering about me If you carry on then your time here will be short, that's not a threat, just advice - I'm admin but I'm NOT a mod. John W |
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« Reply #115 on: 21:11:18, 11-01-2008 » |
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Greenfox. Indeed, your complaints here are "under mod consideration" and will be dealt with. In the meantime however, might I suggest that refering to a poster as an "annoying fool" and telling them to "shut up" might not exactly be helping your situation.
There are many people on this MB with vastly differing opinions on matters musical and social. We question/challenge eachother and, frequently, make fun of eachother. We also try to make room for eachother. If you expect people to make room for your opinions and give them respect, you should also allow room for theirs, different though they may be from yours. I have had the mick taken out of me here on more than one occasion and my musical taste/opinion questioned. As in `real` life. It happens. We move on.
There should be room here to encompase all of us with our many different views without coming to blows.
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« Reply #116 on: 21:21:51, 11-01-2008 » |
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Greenfox. Indeed, your complaints here are "under mod consideration" and will be dealt with. In the meantime however, might I suggest that refering to a poster as an "annoying fool" and telling them to "shut up" might not exactly be helping your situation.
There are many people on this MB with vastly differing opinions on matters musical and social. We question/challenge eachother and, frequently, make fun of eachother. We also try to make room for eachother. If you expect people to make room for your opinions and give them respect, you should also allow room for theirs, different though they may be from yours. I have had the mick taken out of me here on more than one occasion and my musical taste/opinion questioned. As in `real` life. It happens. We move on.
There should be room here to encompase all of us with our many different views without coming to blows.
Mort
And what "situation" is that? - you mean persistent ad hominem sneering? that barely deserves responding to, though it benefits from internet "democracy" whereby whatever is posted enjoys the same influence regardless of its value? People think Braxton is some kind of hero? - well whoopeydo. I really don't care one way or the other. The point is rather that should I express a contrary view, what kind of dialogue then goes down. And in particular, as you well know, that ad hominem sneering is neither relevant to that nor acceptable forum behaviour. |
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greenfox - whether a particular post or pattern of posting counts as 'ad hominem' isn't an objective fact but a judgement call based on many matters of context. Certainly if as you say it 'barely deserves responding to' I would very much appreciate if you could refrain from responding to it, or if you must to do so with rather less aggression.
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« Reply #118 on: 22:06:40, 11-01-2008 » |
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And here, amazingly, is AB together with Hugh Ragin, Ray Anderson and Marilyn Crispell playing the first nine minutes of the beautiful Composition 98, one of my favourites. If I might bring this thread back to Braxton for the moment .... Richard, thanks for posting this link. This was my first encounter with Braxton's work - I watched the clip, was intrigued by it, and it has been coming into my mind at odd moments ever since - I don't know if I "get" it, but there's something there that makes me want to explore and hear more. Music? Definitely. Jazz - I don't think so* *(but then I may be two degrees short of the necessary qualification to make a judgement) |
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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« Reply #119 on: 22:11:31, 11-01-2008 » |
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I'm three degrees short of the qualification, but after reading this thread from beginning to end just now, I can truthfully say I'm all agog and determined to investigate AB's music. So, if it's achieved nothing else it's made someone curious enough to do some delving and listening. A good result then!  |
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We pass this way but once. This is not a rehearsal!
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