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richard barrett
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« Reply #75 on: 15:48:24, 30-08-2008 »

Do you post there yourself? I don't recall seeing your name.

No, I cancelled my membership ages ago, though like almost everyone at r3ok I used to post there. Not under this name however. I find it still worth looking through for the occasional snippet of useful information, but it's almost impossible to discuss anything in depth there without the thread being rapidly derailed by (fill in the blank), I mean that isn't unknown here either but, involved as I am in contemporary composition, I find TOP a frustrating and offputting place on the whole and not worth bothering with. Of course they used to have a New Music board, but this was removed at the time of all the other changes which led to the inception of r3ok. Apparently "breakfast" is more important than "new music". Well not in my house it isn't!  Cheesy Roll Eyes
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« Reply #76 on: 15:59:18, 30-08-2008 »

Well Philidor, authoritarian bigots or not - I suppose that means anyone who doesn't agree with you

No it doesn't. It means people who are... authoritarian bigots.  Grin For example, someone posted this on TOP the other day:

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If you're prone to fainting, coughing, wheezing, then you really should stay away from classical concerts. Call me a fascist, but I want my peace when I come to experience the music, and I don't want any weakened individuals to spoil that experience.

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everyone is entitled to their opinion and also entitled to voice it. 

Of course. Who has claimed otherwise? I am, this very moment, voicing my opinion about authoritarian bigots who post on TOP. I am entitled to that opinion and entitled to voice it.  It's all good.  Cool Cool Cool
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« Reply #77 on: 16:03:32, 30-08-2008 »

Do you post there yourself? I don't recall seeing your name.

No, I cancelled my membership ages ago, though like almost everyone at r3ok I used to post there. Not under this name however. I find it still worth looking through for the occasional snippet of useful information, but it's almost impossible to discuss anything in depth there without the thread being rapidly derailed by (fill in the blank), I mean that isn't unknown here either but, involved as I am in contemporary composition, I find TOP a frustrating and offputting place on the whole and not worth bothering with. Of course they used to have a New Music board, but this was removed at the time of all the other changes which led to the inception of r3ok. Apparently "breakfast" is more important than "new music". Well not in my house it isn't!  Cheesy Roll Eyes

I'm new to TOP and new here but can see why TOP would split. The mix of Blimps and normal musicians/music lovers is highly unstable. I’m surprised there's not more blood on the wall.
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« Reply #78 on: 16:06:03, 30-08-2008 »

I stopped posting at TOP.  When I re-registered I discovered I had to go through that ridiculous pre-mod, censoring stage which makes a mockery of trying to contribute to any thread due to the time lapse.  Then there's the curfew.  Nanny Beeb.  Sad
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« Reply #79 on: 16:06:46, 30-08-2008 »

I'm new to TOP and new here but can see why TOP would split. The mix of Blimps and normal musicians/music lovers is highly unstable. I’m surprised there's not more blood on the wall.

You might be interested to have a look at this thread which was started soon after r3ok was set up.
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« Reply #80 on: 16:08:11, 30-08-2008 »

I’m surprised there's not more blood on the wall.
It's sluiced off every time they have a redesign, and recycled. Why else would the Homepage be so red?
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« Reply #81 on: 16:09:34, 30-08-2008 »

I stopped posting at TOP.  When I re-registered I discovered I had to go through that ridiculous pre-mod, censoring stage which makes a mockery of trying to contribute to any thread due to the time lapse.  Then there's the curfew.  Nanny Beeb.  Sad

Did it used to run 24/7? It's absurdly parochial as it is -- as if the internet stops at Dover.
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« Reply #82 on: 16:23:02, 30-08-2008 »

... as if the internet stops at Dover.

That's where the vibrato-free Elgar begins
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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« Reply #83 on: 16:26:10, 30-08-2008 »

I stopped posting at TOP.  When I re-registered I discovered I had to go through that ridiculous pre-mod, censoring stage which makes a mockery of trying to contribute to any thread due to the time lapse.  Then there's the curfew.  Nanny Beeb.  Sad

Did it used to run 24/7? It's absurdly parochial as it is -- as if the internet stops at Dover.

It used to go to 10 p.m., then extended to midnight by popular request. It's never been 24/7.  There was a snug little comunity there that used to chat and that was not approved of at all, even when they were discussing music.  I think, looking at Platform 3, that they've relented somewhat, but the atmosphere is not nearly as friendly as it was.  It seems very snide and patronising a lot of the time now.   There's always an element of that on any board, but it's usually the minority voice, not the majority.
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« Reply #84 on: 16:27:21, 30-08-2008 »

I am permanantly logged into TOP in case I forget my details, I have a look and if wilf is posting then I read it because I value his opinion, ditto french-frank but I don't post now.

The worst mistake the BBC made was the reversioning and keeping topics to just (from memory?) four programmes and then sending in that Rottweiler of a Mod from R2.

That killed a MB which was vibrant and full of knowledge.  Remember smittims?  (Just to name one amongst many)

And to go further down Memory Lane - Ludwig and Science & Cheese?  (Bryn will  Cheesy)

Edit:  Just been on TOP, smittims is on there
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« Reply #85 on: 16:45:05, 30-08-2008 »

Oxbridge MA racket).  

Cambridge and Oxford used the title first, for older BAs.  When universities wanted a title for post-graduate degrees, it was confusing to use a title already in use, for something different.

I believe some Scottish universities call their graduate degrees MA.
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« Reply #86 on: 16:54:17, 30-08-2008 »


I believe some Scottish universities call their graduate degrees MA.

Ah, but these degree courses last for four years - as against the three for most undergraduate degrees.
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« Reply #87 on: 17:04:54, 30-08-2008 »

'Professor' is a funny one. Have any of the other professors on here (I know who some of you are, at least) had that 'open sesame' moment, say when you're checking into a hotel and filling out the forms? Suddenly nothing's too much trouble. Do Doctors encounter this too?

On the other hand, it feels very odd to be referred to as 'professor' in a non-academic context - as a simple, humble composer, for instance. 'We're delighted to be giving the premiere this evening of a new work by Professor Martle' sounds, well, naff somehow. But I can't quite put my finger on exactly why.
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« Reply #88 on: 17:23:54, 30-08-2008 »

'Professor' is a funny one. Have any of the other professors on here (I know who some of you are, at least) had that 'open sesame' moment, say when you're checking into a hotel and filling out the forms? Suddenly nothing's too much trouble.

I think professors get this because of the absent-mindedness which is part of the job description - they don't want you tripping over your shoelaces on the way up the stairs or forgetting where you are and looking for the kitchen in the middle of the night. While Doctors get respect, Professors get sympathy.
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« Reply #89 on: 18:20:14, 30-08-2008 »

'Professor' is a funny one. Have any of the other professors on here (I know who some of you are, at least) had that 'open sesame' moment, say when you're checking into a hotel and filling out the forms? Suddenly nothing's too much trouble. Do Doctors encounter this too?

On the other hand, it feels very odd to be referred to as 'professor' in a non-academic context - as a simple, humble composer, for instance. 'We're delighted to be giving the premiere this evening of a new work by Professor Martle' sounds, well, naff somehow. But I can't quite put my finger on exactly why.

My brother says it can be very useful at times, but he isn't keen on the title being used outside his professional life. I would never address an envelope to him using "Professor [insert name]".  Most professors are Doctor before they are Professor. At least when they become Professor people stop asking for advice about their indigestion.

I hadn't thought of it as inverted snobbery - more as "not showing off"(very British!) - but it is considered a bit naff to put any stress or importance on the title or degree, outside the context of one's job.  Naffest of all is to have an honorary doctorate and use the title - I know of someone who does, and he is secretly ridiculed.
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