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« Reply #30 on: 17:57:21, 23-02-2007 » |
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You know how to play hard, George! OK, you're on, try this for size:
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'These acts of keeping politics out of music, however, do not prevent musicology from being a political act . . .they assure that every apolitical act assumes a greater political immediacy' - Philip Bohlman, 'Musicology as a Political Act'
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« Reply #31 on: 18:02:49, 23-02-2007 » |
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match and raise you both!
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George Garnett
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« Reply #32 on: 18:16:26, 23-02-2007 » |
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Second Edition, ENLARGED, eh? Actually I've a quite a lot of time for Kuhn. I'm just never quite sure whether these famous paradigm shifts are only supposed to happen once or twice in a generation, or five or six times each afternoon in any well run lab. I suspect you can make the defnition fit both (IMVHO). Hmmm. On consciousness I'm a bit more of a.... .....man myself, but I'm happy to give it a go. I don't know that one. Any views on this by the way? I haven't read it. Recommended or not?
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« Reply #33 on: 19:19:24, 23-02-2007 » |
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imho kuhn is a subsumed by pepper in important respects; there oughta be a campaign to get the book in print again.
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« Reply #34 on: 19:28:43, 23-02-2007 » |
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and on a quick check Chalmers is not a wet theory if he wants to go off into quantum mechanics and AI, well ok, but only up to a point. Donald is aware of such thinking, but also of Darwin and paleontogy and anthropology. no one else is yet close to his mastery of it imho. i will get and read Chalmers which is new to me so many thanks for the pointer. i will test him for two critical issues, the biological wetness of the brain and the social nature of mind. most consciousness writers and theorists have anything from aspergers to full blown autism when it comes to understanding the human mind. see also
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« Reply #35 on: 20:02:45, 23-02-2007 » |
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most consciousness writers and theorists have anything from aspergers to full blown autism when it comes to understanding the human mind.
Fascinating. Is it possible that unusual mental conditions of that kind give a researcher the advantage of an unusual perspective? I would also be interested to know more about the importance of the "biological wetness of the brain".
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Click me -> About meor me -> my handmade storeNo, I'm not a complete idiot. I'm only a halfwit. In fact I'm actually a catfish.
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« Reply #36 on: 20:11:12, 23-02-2007 » |
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A long time favourite that never palls.
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« Reply #37 on: 20:13:46, 23-02-2007 » |
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magnificently warped and unremittingly cynical
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They say travel broadens the mind - but in many cases travel has made the mind not exactly broader, but thicker.
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« Reply #38 on: 20:42:41, 23-02-2007 » |
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The city is a process which always veers away from the form envisaged and desired, ... whose revenge upon its architects and planners undoes every dream of mastery. It is [also] one of the sites where Dasein is assigned the impossible task of putting right what can never be put right. - Rob Lapsley
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Ian Pace
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« Reply #39 on: 20:44:45, 23-02-2007 » |
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And here's one that Thom likes (and so do I): Moi aussi. How about this:
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« Reply #40 on: 20:47:59, 23-02-2007 » |
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If anyone can advise on the issue of sizing I'd be more than grateful :-)
If linking to an image on a website, I'm not sure if anything can be done. How does one simply insert a JPG/BMP or other similar file into here (which could of course be resized using Photoexpress, Ulead, Windows Picture Viewer, or whatever)?
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« Reply #41 on: 21:02:57, 23-02-2007 » |
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I'm afraid I've never yet discovered the delights of Zukofsky, Ian, although I know BB would have urged me to do so. Something to look forward to at some point in the next few years of my reading life, I'm sure. Talking of interconnections between poets, oddly enough I find Bunting lives in a completely different part of my head from Thom Gunn, although I'm sure it was reading Gunn's essays (which I think I did before I read his poetry) that led me to Bunting. Not that I can't see what Gunn might like about Bunting, but it's certainly not responsible for what I myself like about Gunn.
Do you know the Derrida?
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« Reply #42 on: 21:04:51, 23-02-2007 » |
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Do you know the Derrida?
Skimmed through it quite a while ago, when it was reasonably new, but don't own a copy - remember it being a bit non-committal in many ways. Interested in your thoughts on it, though?
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« Reply #43 on: 22:14:14, 23-02-2007 » |
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"biological wetness" it is alive, living, growing and forming itself well into adulthood; heat, electrical and chemical energies; immensely complexity of connection- simplist notions of neurons are primitive and inadequate. Brains differ between individuals, their shape reflects the experience of the individual. No two are alike. many workers in the field of mind sciences talk about perception rather than mind, being philosophically obsessed with 'sensory qualia' and neural substrates. this is useful but not nearly enough. without both ontology the development of the individual in both relationships and social context there is not much of a mind. this is the basis for my ascription of asperger/autistic syndromes to them - they are profoundly out of contact with this fundamental matter. if a materialist approach is still desirable, and i think it is, then these guys have summat worth saying as well: it is a very complex materialism, subject to experience and development.
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« Reply #44 on: 22:19:39, 23-02-2007 » |
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I'd be happy to think about Spectres of Marx (and especially about the themes raised by its subtitle, 'The State of the Debt, the Work of Mourning, and the New International'), and to discuss it, Ian, but it may have to wait until I've finished a piece I'm writing on a rather different subject (although there is one point of overlap, actually! ... the clue is in the word 'spectres'). I need a bit of help from a clever and lateral-thinking scientist and I wonder if there are any of those around here. It seems likely! I'm going to start a new thread ...
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The city is a process which always veers away from the form envisaged and desired, ... whose revenge upon its architects and planners undoes every dream of mastery. It is [also] one of the sites where Dasein is assigned the impossible task of putting right what can never be put right. - Rob Lapsley
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