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« Reply #390 on: 14:22:52, 26-01-2008 »

Don Basilio,
I am afraid to say that I don't know Wordsworth. I am afraid to lose your esteem, but the truth must be told.
I was told by my grandmother that I am late developer. It is better late than never.

If you would not say that Dove is a river I would think Wordsworth is talking about the bird.

I love Milton too. I am going to copy both in my diary after I come back. I have to visit my friend. Also I have a friend in Greece to whom I can send poems. She will appreciate that.
I am so grateful to you for sharing and explaing such a beautiful, but difficult poems. This board is my education.
Thank you all. xxx
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« Reply #391 on: 14:34:06, 26-01-2008 »

I suppose I could have given in to Google, Ollie, but it's a matter of principle with poems I know well not to do so, or at least to try to remember them before checking the text. I'm glad you've reminded me it's 'celebrate', as I'll now hopefully remember that the next time I want to quote those lines.

Someone quoted Browning on another thread; here is the only Browning poem I have off by heart. Ollie may visit Google and furnish me with a list of corrections if he so wishes: I suspect some of my semicolons are commas, and vice versa.


My Last Duchess

That's my last Duchess painted on the wall,
Looking as if she were alive. I call
That piece a wonder, now; Frà Pandolf's hands
Worked busily a day, and there she stands.
Will't please you sit and look at her? I said
Frà Pandolf by design, for never read
Strangers like you her pictured countenance,
The depth and passion of her earnest glance,
But looked as they would ask me, if they durst,
How such a glance came there. So, not the first
Are you to turn and ask thus. Sir, 'twas not
Her husband's presence only called that spot
Of joy into the Duchess' cheek: perhaps
Frà Pandolf chanced to say, 'Her mantle laps
Over my lady's wrist too much.' Or, 'Paint
Can never hope to reproduce the faint
Half-flush that dies along her throat.' Such stuff
Was courtesy, she thought, and cause enough
For calling up that spot of joy. She had
A heart - how shall I say? - too soon made glad,
Too easily impressed. She liked whate'er
She looked on; and her looks went everywhere.
Sir, 'twas all one! My favour at her breast;
The dropping of the daylight in the west;
The bough of cherries some officious fool
Broke in the orchard for her; the white mule
She rode with round the terrace: all and each
Would draw from her alike th' approving speech,
Or blush, at least. She thanked men good, but thanked
Somehow - I know not how - as if she ranked
My gift of a nine-hundred-years-old name
With anybody's gift. Who'd stoop to blame
This sort of trifling? E'en had you skill
In speech (which I have not) to make your will
Quite clear to such an one, and say: 'Just this
Or that in you disgusts me; here you miss
Or there exceed the mark.' And if she let
Herself be lessoned so, nor plainly set
Her wits to yours, forsooth, and made excuse,
E'en then would be some stooping, and I choose
Never to stoop. Oh, sir, she smiled, no doubt,
Whene'er I passed her; but who passed without
Much the same smile? This grew; I gave commands;
Then all smiles stopp'd together. There she stands
As if alive. Will't please you rise? We'll meet
The company below, then. I repeat,
The count your master's known munificence
Is ample warrant that no just pretence
Of mine for dowry will be disallow'd;
Though his fair daughter's self, as I avow'd
At starting, is my object. Nay, we'll go
Together down, sir; notice Neptune, though,
Taming a sea-horse, thought a rarity,
Which Claus of Innsbruck cast in bronze for me.
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« Reply #392 on: 14:53:50, 26-01-2008 »

I am afraid to lose your esteem, but the truth must be told.

Perish the thought, tp, perish the thought!!

Personally I don't care for Wordsworth - my reaction is that he was a worthy bore (but a nicer man than Milton.)  I had a feeling that you might like him.  I can see why people like him, but I don't feel it myself.

If you go to the Lake District, where he lived, there are memorials to him all over the place, visited by people who have never read his poetry.

For a romantic poet, his language is very simple and un-intense.  The famous quote from him is that poetry is "emotion recollected in tranquillity".  I am not sure about that, frankly.

Incidentally he changed the entire style of English poetry probably more than any one man.  Before he published Lyrical Ballads in the 1790s, English poetry was very mannered and artificial.  To be quite honest, I prefer that.  I am sure I will not lose your esteem if I say so.  I'll post some of that style in due course.

I REPEAT.  ANYONE KNOW ANY MUSICAL SETTINGS OF WORDSWORTH??
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« Reply #393 on: 14:56:50, 26-01-2008 »

Intimations of Immortality - Gerald Finzi
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« Reply #394 on: 14:58:20, 26-01-2008 »

Chris Fox: Preluding
(IIRC)
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« Reply #395 on: 14:59:39, 26-01-2008 »

Wordsworth's grandson (or great-grandson, more likely? I suppose I should have googled this Wink), also called William, was a composer, mainly of symphonies but I expect he set some of the elder William's poetry. Perhaps not ...

You're right, though, Don. Apart from Finzi I can't think of any other famous settings. Not even RVW??
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« Reply #396 on: 15:05:28, 26-01-2008 »

A bit of shameless cut 'n paste from Music Web:-

Allan Biggs' two part I Heard a Thousand Blended Notes; The Rainbow by Doncaster composer Andrew Clark (solo, medium voice) (5); In March set by Reginald Hunt as a two part canon and by Gordon Jacob for SATB; Eric Thiman's The Maid of Dove (SSA); James Butt's The Minstrels (SSA); Rubbra's Prayer for the Queen (SATB); Harold Noble's Ravishment of Spring (SSA); Geoffrey Winter's To the Cuckoo (SSA); Audrey Piggott's Upon Westminster Bridge (2 part); Alfred Reynolds' March for solo voice and - forming part of the 1926 revue Riverside Nights put on at the Lyric Theatre, Hammersmith where it was spoken to instrumental accompaniment - The Power of Music; and The Solitary Reaper, set for two part voices by Mary Chandler and for three part ladies' choir with a soprano solo by Leslie Walters, Daffodils (I Wandered Lonely as a Cloud) one of the most famous poems in the English language and also one inextricably linked to a lakeland landscape (Ullswater) has been favoured by Hugh Hulbert for mixed voices, by the one-time Sheffield Cathedral Organist Dr Justin Baker, in three parts (1935) and by Eric Thiman: a lovely Quilteresque miniature for soprano and alto duet. The soprano Maryetta Midgeley once successfully recorded its top line as a solo.
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« Reply #397 on: 15:25:23, 26-01-2008 »

If you go to the Lake District, where he lived, there are memorials to him all over the place, visited by people who have never read his poetry.

We don't actually know who has and who hasn't do we, Don B?  I propose to assume they may well have unless they insist on denying it in writing. Wink

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I REPEAT.  ANYONE KNOW ANY MUSICAL SETTINGS OF WORDSWORTH??

This is really Mary C's job so I feel a bit of an interloper but Britten set part of the Prelude, 'But that night, When on my bed I lay', as part of his Nocturne. It's the one with the timps.
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« Reply #398 on: 16:44:51, 26-01-2008 »

SLEEP NO MORE!!!!!!

Sorry, that just slipped out.
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« Reply #399 on: 16:58:34, 26-01-2008 »

If you go to the Lake District, where he lived, there are memorials to him all over the place, visited by people who have never read his poetry.

We don't actually know who has and who hasn't do we, Don B?  I propose to assume they may well have unless they insist on denying it in writing. Wink
Ah, but they obviously didn't understand it even if they did read it, George. That's what you're forgetting! (Unless of course they were working-class, in which case they understood it better than any member of this forum ever could.)

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I REPEAT.  ANYONE KNOW ANY MUSICAL SETTINGS OF WORDSWORTH??

This is really Mary C's job so I feel a bit of an interloper but Britten set part of the Prelude, 'But that night, When on my bed I lay', as part of his Nocturne.
Oh yes. So he did. Sorry about that.
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« Reply #400 on: 17:00:48, 26-01-2008 »

Incidentally he changed the entire style of English poetry probably more than any one man.  Before he published Lyrical Ballads in the 1790s, English poetry was very mannered and artificial.  To be quite honest, I prefer that. 
DonB, the 1790s, well what do you think of William Blake, for example Heaven and Hell?  I won't take up screen space but will post a link:-

http://www.levity.com/alchemy/blake_ma.html
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« Reply #401 on: 17:42:27, 26-01-2008 »

The famous quote from him is that poetry is "emotion recollected in tranquillity".  I am not sure about that, frankly.

You are not alone, Don B. With apologies to those who find Wendy Cope resistible, that prompts another squib of hers:


An Argument With Wordsworth

People are always quoting that and all of them seem to agree
And it's probably most unwise to admit that it's different for me.
I have emotion  -  no one who knows me could fail to detect it  -
But there's a serious shortage of tranquillity in which to recollect it.
So this is my contribution to the theoretical debate:
Sometimes poetry is emotion recollected in a highly emotional state.



[Thank you, Ollie. You are forgiven. I know how these things happen Grin  I shall always hear it that way now. And I'm not even synaesthetic.]
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« Reply #402 on: 18:52:26, 26-01-2008 »

#390 trainedpianist

You say this board is your education and I absolutely agree with you. Having learnt so much about the music of modern composers, I now realise I should have been following this thread since the beginning, but the thought of trying to become more educated in poetry never came anywhere near the forefront of my thinking. So now I know what I'm going to do: set aside a morning or afternoon - maybe both - and follow it through right from the beginning. (I think I should put, say, some Schoenberg on to keep both learning areas going at the same time!)

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« Reply #403 on: 19:25:38, 26-01-2008 »

if George is allowed even more Wendy Cope, I'm surely allowed to return once again to Thom Gunn.

This is another one off by heart (I don't think it's on Google, Ollie). I can't remember the title but the poem is only two lines long:


Spontaneous overflows of poetic feeling;
Wet dreams, wet dreams, in libraries congealing.
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« Reply #404 on: 19:26:19, 26-01-2008 »

And another two-liner - this time I can remember the title:


Jamesian

Their relationship consisted
In discussing if it existed.
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