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« Reply #600 on: 01:00:02, 01-05-2008 »

Thanks, MJ, for that. I imagine his autobiography (The Great Betrayal, mentioned in that obit) would be worth a read.
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« Reply #601 on: 15:05:03, 03-05-2008 »

March


The light stays longer in the sky, but it’s a cold light,
it brings no relief from winter.

My neighbor stares out the window,
talking to her dog. He’s sniffing the garden,
trying to reach a decision about the dead flowers.

It’s a little early for all this.
Everything’s still very bare—
nevertheless, something’s different today from yesterday.

We can see the mountain: the peak’s glittering where the ice catches the light.
But on the sides the snow’s melted, exposing bare rock.

My neighbor’s calling the dog, making her unconvincing doglike sounds.
The dog’s polite; he raises his head when she calls,
but he doesn’t move. So she goes on calling,
her failed bark slowly deteriorating into a human voice.

All her life she dreamed of living by the sea
but fate didn’t put her there.
It laughed at her dreams;
it locked her up in the hills, where no one escapes.

The sun beats down on the earth, the earth flourishes.
And every winter, it’s as though the rock underneath the earth rises
higher and higher and the earth becomes rock, cold and rejecting.

She says hope killed her parents, it killed her grandparents.
It rose up each spring with the wheat
and died between the heat of summer and the raw cold.
In the end, they told her to live near the sea,
As though that would make a difference.

By late spring she’ll be garrulous, but now she’s down to two words,
never and only, to express this sense that life’s cheated her.

Never the cries of the gulls, only, in summer, the crickets, cicadas.
Only the smell of the field, when all she wanted
was the smell of the sea, of disappearance.

The sky above the fields has turned a sort of grayish pink
as the sun sinks. The clouds are silk yarn, magenta and crimson.

And everywhere the earth is rustling, not lying still.
And the dog senses this stirring; his ears twitch.

He walks back and forth, vaguely remembering
from other years this elation. The season of discoveries
is beginning. Always the same discoveries, but to the dog
intoxicating and new, not duplicitous.

I tell my neighbor we’ll be like this
when we lose our memories. I ask her if she’s ever seen the sea
and she says, once, in a movie.
It was a sad story, nothing worked out at all.

The lovers part. The sea hammers the shore, the mark each wave leaves
wiped out by the wave that follows.
Never accumulation, never one wave trying to build on another,
never the promise of shelter—

The sea doesn’t change as the earth changes;
it doesn’t lie.
You ask the sea, what can you promise me
and it speaks the truth; it says erasure.

Finally the dog goes in.
We watch the crescent moon,
very faint at first, then clearer and clearer
as the night grows dark.
Soon it will be the sky of early spring, stretching above the stubborn ferns and violets.

Nothing can be forced to live.
The earth is like a drug now, like a voice from far away,
a lover or master. In the end, you do what the voice tells you.
It says forget, you forget.
It says begin again, you begin again.


Louise Glück
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« Reply #602 on: 19:02:12, 03-05-2008 »

pim_derks

I like that poem and have just had a quick look at google references to Louise Gluck.
I think it is because of the cool, clear way of writing, which, it would appear, she is known for.
Thanks for posting it.
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« Reply #603 on: 19:07:28, 03-05-2008 »

Hello Susan. Smiley

This poem was published in the New Yorker magazine a while ago. I think it will also appear in a future collection of Gluck's poems.
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« Reply #604 on: 14:10:50, 07-05-2008 »

I think Syd asked someone (Pim?) to give a poem by Auden, about an old man in Morocco.  This must be it:

Uncle Henry

When the Flyin' Scot
fills for shootin', I go southward,
wisin' after coffee, leavin'
Lady Starkie.

Weady for some fun,
visit yearly Wome, Damascus,
in Morocco look for fwesh a-
-musin' places

Where I'll find a fwend,
don't yer know, a charmin' creature,
like a Gweek God and devoted:
how delicious!

All they have they bwing,
Abdul, Nino, Manfwed, Kosta:
here's to women for they have such
lovely kiddies!

I seem to remember when the Penguin Book of Homosexual Verse (sic)(from which I am typing), was published in 1983, one reviewer possibly criticizing it heavily for only including that one piece by Auden and not Lay your sleeping head.  The choice of works was queer in more senses than one.

PS Should I have put the comma in the third line from the end inside or outside the brackets?
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« Reply #605 on: 14:35:12, 07-05-2008 »

Yes, that's the poem I was talking about. Thank you, Don Basilio! Smiley
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« Reply #606 on: 22:35:23, 07-05-2008 »

Where I'll find a fwend,
don't yer know,

The Old Queen The Old Fop in Death in Venice uses precisely the phrase Don't yer know.

It is a pretty undistinguished poem, and typing all those w's for r's was a pain.

I await Syd and Tisnow's judgment on my punctuation.
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« Reply #607 on: 08:41:14, 08-05-2008 »



The Old Queen The Old Fop in Death in Venice uses precisely the phrase Don't yer know.



Echoed by Aschenbach after the Barber has "rejuvenated" him.
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« Reply #608 on: 10:26:05, 08-05-2008 »

Here is a rather more inspiring piece from The Penguin Book of HV:

Written on an Island off the Breton Coast

You at God's altar stand, His minister,
And Paris lies about you and the Seine;
Around this Breton isle the Ocean swells,
Deep water and one love between us twain.

Wild is the wind, but still thy name is spoken;
Rough is the sea: it sweeps not o'er thy face.
Still runs my love for shelter to its dwelling,
Hither, O heart, to thine abiding place.

Swift as the waves beneath an east wind breaking
Dark as beneath a winter sky the sea,
So to my heart crowd memories awaking,
So dark, O love, my spirit without thee.

Venantius Fortunatus (c530-c603)  Trans. Helen Waddell

A Venantius Fortunatus is best known for the hymn Vexilla regis prodeunt, The royal banners forward go sung in the two weeks before Easter and at the main service on Good Friday.  He wrote it to mark the arrival at Poitiers of a relic of the cross.

B Helen Waddell was the translator of many pieced of Late Antique poetry and writing.  The best known to musicians will be the words of the anthem Take him earth for cherishing, set by Herbert Howells in memory of J F Kennedy'.
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« Reply #609 on: 02:05:11, 09-05-2008 »

Uncle Henry

Thank you Mr. Basilio; that book has in fact been gracing our shelves all this time without being properly read, and you are right: few seem ever to have found its selection particularly inspiring. We do not know or rather do not care to say quite what we can have been thinking of after reading Mr. Derks's "toothless boy-loving" but it was not what we had from Auden. Auden is for us we confess a taste probably never to be acquired; he seems to have been what is his great shortcoming a man without passion so we have never been able to see the point of him, - rather in the manner of Mr. Derks's response to Proust is that not. As for Léautaud he has never come our way but perhaps this photograph will inspire readers. We certainly would like to have a look at his lengthy diaries; can he be regarded as having been the Sorabji of French literature we wonder?

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« Reply #610 on: 06:27:56, 09-05-2008 »


Owning as he does a cat he surely is or once was a member of this forum?  Tongue
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« Reply #611 on: 08:34:07, 09-05-2008 »

As for Léautaud he has never come our way but perhaps this photograph will inspire readers. we wonder? We certainly would like to have a look at his lengthy diaries; can he be regarded as having been the Sorabji of French literature?

He looks too cloaked in musical austerity for that.
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« Reply #612 on: 08:50:47, 09-05-2008 »


Owning as he does a cat he surely is or once was a member of this forum?  Tongue

On the contrary, on the strength of the feline's proprietary stance might it not be more logically deduced that it owns him?
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« Reply #613 on: 09:06:23, 09-05-2008 »

Dogs have masters, cats have staff, as a wise person once said.
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« Reply #614 on: 12:19:28, 09-05-2008 »

Owning as he does a cat he surely is or once was a member of this forum?  Tongue

The true state of affairs appears not to have been quite as simple; on a web-site set up by a Dutch gentleman we are told that "Paul [Léautaud's] greatest love was animals. He always had at least one in his house. During his lifetime he had about 300 cats, 150 dogs, a goose, a goat and a monkey as pets. Sometimes there were more than 50 animals in the house."
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