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richard barrett
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« Reply #705 on: 22:06:55, 09-08-2008 »

Richard, is that (one of)? the Heine poems Henze uses in Voices? If so, I remember it being utterly beautiful.
It is (the only Heine poem in Voices), and the song itself is basically the closing part of an instrumental piece in Henze's most melancholic vein, beautiful indeed.
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« Reply #706 on: 22:29:54, 09-08-2008 »

Thanks. I haven't really listened to Voices properly since I played piano in a student performance of it. Now, there's a collection of poems!
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« Reply #707 on: 23:08:07, 09-08-2008 »

TF, I really am trying to keep my latent Teutophobia in control, but that translation confirms my worst prejudices about the German language.  (Set to music, German can be exquisite, but that heavy clump on the penultimate syllable of the sentence in conversational German is so depressing.)

I take it as a useful crib and I can see that  übergrosses Weh works perfectly well in a way that overbig woe just doesn't.

I made an effort to create the worst possible English translation I could, while still making clear what the words mean. I'm sorry if that wasn't clear to you or Richard. I had a great time doing it and am still laughing, as if that was possible.
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« Reply #708 on: 23:17:31, 09-08-2008 »

I'm sorry if that wasn't clear to you or Richard.

To me was that perfectly clear, although I feel, that you the boundaries of the English language with this "hinup" somewhat overstepped have.
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« Reply #709 on: 23:20:42, 09-08-2008 »

towardup it is then.
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« Reply #710 on: 14:40:16, 10-08-2008 »

TF, sorry my Anglo Saxon sense of irony was in temporary abeyance.

I must explain my reference to my Teutophobia.  I spent six months in my twenties in a community for the learning disabled run by followers of Rudolf Steiner.  Many caring and generous people were among them.  But listening to earnest discussions in German accents on the relation of your astral to your aetheric body, or the influence of star signs on the growing of organic vegetables got a bit weary. 

I did not notice the lack of alcohol at that stage in my life.  I quite liked the homemade bread and yogurt and vegetarian bakes.  I was uneasy at the airbrushing out of any popular culture later than 1900.  Despite the importance given to high culture, I do not remember any music or literature from a Romance speaking country.

The repeated use of Grimm's Fairy Stories and Bach's Prelude and Fugues played on the lyre (a hand harp devised by Steiner's followers producing a very tasteful sound) put me off Germanic culture in a  big way.  Sorry.  I realise there is more to it than that.
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« Reply #711 on: 15:02:14, 10-08-2008 »

I don't understand why you are continuing to apologize, but your story is very interesting.

I don't have a new poem to offer at this time.
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« Reply #712 on: 23:06:06, 13-08-2008 »

POEM

Now it is the 27th
of this month
which would have been my birthday
if I'd been born in it
but I wasn't
would have made me a
Scorpion
which symbolizes silver, money, riches
firm in aim, coldblooded in action
loving the Bull
smelling of sandalwood
I do anyway

instead of
Cancer
which symbolizes instability, suggestibility, sensibility
all the ilities like a clavichord
only an interior firmness
favoring good and evil alike
loving Capricorn
with its solitudinous research

but how could I love other
than the worldly Virgin
my force is in mobility it's said
I move
towards you
born in the sign which I should only like
with love

Frank O'Hara
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« Reply #713 on: 23:29:44, 13-08-2008 »

elles viennent
autres et pareils
avec chacune c'est autre et c'est pareil
avec chacune l'absence d'amour est autre
avec chacune l'absence d'amour est pareille

(Samuel Beckett)
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« Reply #714 on: 11:06:08, 14-08-2008 »

I first encountered that poem through Bill Hopkins' setting of it. I still hear those rhythms (actually, not sure if they're in the score, which I've never seen) when I read it.
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« Reply #715 on: 01:23:47, 15-08-2008 »

I first encountered that poem through Bill Hopkins' setting of it. I still hear those rhythms (actually, not sure if they're in the score, which I've never seen) when I read it.

That reminded me that I wanted to get hold of more of his music... UE seem to have stopped printing them so I'm trying to find out where I can get hold of them.

I feel like I'm turning into a bit of a cliché, reading poetry on the bus and occasionally giggling, gasping or (at times) even with tears in my eyes.
A girl who, for the purposes of this forum, I might as well call c (as opposed to C), whom I had 'seduced' by reading poetry drunk, gave me her copy of Frank O'Hara's selected poems (edited by Donald Allen). It is this that I am reading on the bus (though obviously not now because it's past 1am and I sincerely doubt that I would be able to get wireless internet on a bus and I do not have the patience to write this much on a mobile phone and I don't have a Blackberry) and it's why I'm putting more of it here.



NOW THAT I AM IN MADRID AND CAN THINK
I think of you
and the continents brilliant and arid
and the slender heart you are sharing my share of with the American air
as the lungs I have felt sonorously subside slowly greet each morning
and your brown lashes flutter revealing two perfect dawns colored by New York

see a vast bridge stretching to the humbled outskirts with only you
                 standing on the edge of the purple like an only tree

and in Toledo the olive groves' soft blue look at the hills with silver
              like glasses like an old lady's hair
it's well known that God and I don't get along together
it's just a view of the brass works to me, I don't care about the Moors
seen through you the great works of death, you are greater

you are smiling, you are emptying the world so we can be alone



HAVING A COKE WITH YOU
is even more fun than going to San Sebastian, Irún, Hendaye, Biarritz, Bayonne
or being sick to my stomach on the Travesera de Gracia in Barcelona
partly because in your orange shirt you look like a better happier St. Sebastian
partly because of my love for you, partly because of your love for yoghurt
partly because of the fluorescent orange tulips around the birches
partly because of the secrecy our smiles take on before people and statuary
it is hard to believe when I'm with you that there can be anything as still
as solemn as unpleasantly definitive as statuary when right in front of it
in the warm New York 4 o'clock light we are drifting back and forth
between each other like a tree breathing through its spectacles

and the portrait show seems to have no faces in it at all, just pain
you suddenly wonder why in the world anyone ever did them
                                                                                        I look
at you and I would rather look at you than all the portraits in the world
except possibly for the Polish Rider occasionally and ayway it's in the Frick
which thank heavens you haven't gone to yet so we can go together the first time
and the fact that you move so beautifully more or less takes care of Futurism
just as at home I never think of the Nude Descending a Staircase or
at a rehearsal a single drawing of Leonardo or Michelangelo that used to wow me
and what good does all the research of the Impressionists do them
when they never got the right person to stand near the tree when the sun sank
or for that matter Marino Marini when he didn't pick the rider as carefully
as the horse
                            it seems they were all cheated of some marvellous experience
which is not going to go wasted on me which is why I'm telling you about it



I seem to have overcome my allergy to long lines of poetry  Smiley
I really must return her book of Thomas Kinsella poetry to her soon
I really must read some of it soon
I really must go to bed now
[sigh]
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« Reply #716 on: 13:49:03, 15-08-2008 »

Snap, hh! Kiss
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« Reply #717 on: 22:28:53, 15-08-2008 »

You really remember everything, t-i-n.

As for me I am happy I remember my name. I also can only read limited number of poems. I have weak eyes and I am slow.
It is so frustrating.

I love last few poems very much. I am glad there is a slow night tonight.

I wish I could be t-i-n.

I don't know how to save the best poems I like. May be I should start a notebook called "poems". But for that I need to remember to buy a notebook next time I am in town. However, this is not easy for someone with my memory.
 I don't understand post #713 by Richard. It is in French, but it must be good because it is by Beckett. It is very repetative and probably very clever.


To have a bad memory could have its pluses. I for example, can be surprized and happy to read the same poem several times like I never saw it in my life. Here is the silver lining.
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« Reply #718 on: 03:20:12, 16-08-2008 »

t-p, I'm very glad you're you and not me, but your post made me smile a lot (and I've not smiled very much today, I'm afraid, so thank you for that).

Here's some poetry by Alice Goodman - it's actually the closing speech from the libretto for John Adams' opera Nixon in China, voiced by the character of Chou En-lai:

I am old, and I cannot sleep
Forever, like the young, nor hope
That death will be a novelty
But endless wakefulness when I
Put down my work and go to bed.
How much of what we did was good?
Everything seems to move beyond
Our remedy. Come, heal this wound.
At this hour nothing can be done.
Just before dawn the birds begin,
The warblers who prefer the dark,
The cage-birds answering. To work!
Outside this room the chill of grace
Lies heavy on the morning grass.
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« Reply #719 on: 05:35:12, 16-08-2008 »

Tour Eiffel
Guitare du ciel

                                Ta télégraphie sans fil
                                Attire les mots
                                Comme un rosier les abeilles

Pendant la nuit
La Seine ne coule plus

                                Télescope ou clairon

                                                 TOUR EIFFEL

Et c'est une ruche de mots
Ou un encrier de miel

Au fond de l'aube
Une araignée aux pattes en fil de fer
Faisait sa toile de nuages

       Mon petit garçon
       Pour monter à la Tour Eiffel
       On monte sur une chanson

       Do
         ré
           mi
             fa
               sol
                  la
                   si
                     do

                                Nous sommes en haut

      Un oiseau chante         C'est le vent
      Dans les antennes        De l'Europe
      Télégraphiques            Le vent électrique

                                    Là-bas

Les chapeaux s'envolent
Ils ont des ailes mais ils ne chantent pas

Jacqueline
       Fille de France
Qu'est-ce que tu vois là-haut

La Seine dort
Sous l'ombre de ses ponts

Je vois tourner la Terre
Et je sonne mon clairon
Vers toutes les mers

       Sur le chemin
       De ton parfum
       Tous les abeilles et les paroles s'en vont

       Sur les quatre horizons
Qui n'a pas entendu cette chanson

JE SUIS LA REINE DE L'AUBE DES POLES
JE SUIS LA ROSE DES VENTS QUI SE FANE TOUS LES AUTOMNES
ET TOUTE PLEINE DE NEIGE
JE MEURS DE LA MORT DE CETTE ROSE
DANS MA TETE UN OISEAU CHANTE TOUTE L'ANNEE

C'est comme ça qu'un jour la Tour m'a parlé

Tour Eiffel
  Volière du monde
       Chante                             Chante

Sonnerie de Paris

Le géant pendu au milieu du vide
Est l'affiche de France

                                        Le jour de la Victoire
                                        Tu la raconteras aux étoiles

--Vicente Huidobro
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