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« Reply #720 on: 07:44:55, 16-08-2008 »

I love that one from John Adam's opera. Did he write his own libretto? I think it is very Chinese if one can say that.
This is definately for my future notebook.

Next post by Turfan Fragment is so French and so beautiful. I can hear it being said. It is beautiful to look at and to read and to hear too.

Thank you.
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« Reply #721 on: 07:57:23, 16-08-2008 »

t-p, the libretto for Nixon in China was by Alice Goodman, long be fore she too took up her new role as an ordained Anglican priest.
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« Reply #722 on: 08:04:01, 16-08-2008 »



Alice Goodman (born 1958), American poet, was educated at Harvard University and Cambridge where she studied English and American literature. She has written the libretti for two of the operas of John Adams, Nixon in China and The Death of Klinghoffer. Although she was born in St. Paul, Minnesota, where she was raised as a Reform Jew, she is currently an ordained Anglican priest serving in England. Goodman resumed writing with John Adams on the opera Doctor Atomic, however she withdrew from this project after a year. It is reported that she is now working with Peter Sellars on a version of Boethius' Consolation of Philosophy.

She married the noted British poet Geoffrey Hill in 1987. The couple have one daughter.

In 2006, Alice Goodman took up the post of chaplain at Trinity College, Cambridge.

Thank you, Bryn. She must be very interesting (deep) person.


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« Reply #723 on: 06:17:25, 19-08-2008 »

LARGE RED MAN READING

There were ghosts that returned to earth to hear his phrases,
As he sat there reading, aloud, the great blue tabulae.
They were those from the wilderness of stars that had expected more.

There were those that returned to hear him read from the poem of life,
Of the pans above the stove, the pots on the table, the tulips among them.
They were those that would have wept to step barefoot into reality,

That would have wept and been happy, have shivered in the frost
And cried out to feel it again, have run fingers over leaves
And against the most coiled thorn, have seized on what was ugly

And laughed, as he sat there reading, from out of the purple tabulae,
The outlines of being and its expressings, the syllables of its law:
Poesis, poesis, the literal characters, the vatic lines,

Which in those ears and in those thin, those spended hearts,
Took on color, took on shape and the size of things as they are
And spoke the feeling for them, which was what they had lacked.

--"The Wall" Stevens
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« Reply #724 on: 06:32:54, 19-08-2008 »

Autopsychography

The poet is a fake.
His faking seems so real
That he will fake the ache
Which he can really feel.

And those who read his cries
Feel in the paper tears
Not two aches that are his
But one that is not theirs.

And so round in its ring,
Giving the mind a game,
Goes this train on a string
And the heart is its name.


Fernando Pessoa (tr. Keith Bosley)
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« Reply #725 on: 00:54:32, 21-08-2008 »

Swifts

Fifteenth of May. Cherry blossom. The swifts
Materialize at the tip of a long scream
Of needle. 'Look! They're back! Look!' And they're gone
On a steep

Controlled scream of skid
Round the house-end and away under the cherries. Gone.
Suddenly flickering in sky summit, three or four together,
Gnat-whisp frail, and hover-searching, and listening

For air-chills - are they too early? With a bowing
Power-thrust to left, then to right, then a flicker they
Tilt into a slide, a tremble for balance,
Then a lashing down disappearance

Behind elms.
                    They've made it again,
Which means the glove's still working, the Creation's
Still waking refreshed, our summer's
Still all to come -
                            And here they are, here they are again
Erupting across yard stones
Shrapnel-scatter terror. Frog-gapers,
Speedway goggles, international mobsters -

A bolas of three or four wire screams
Jockeying across each other
On their switchback wheel of death.
They swat past, hard-fletched,

Veer on the hard air, toss up over the roof,
And are gone again. Their mole-dark labouring,
Their lunatic limber scramming frenzy
And their whirling blades

Sparkle out into blue -
                                  Not ours any more.
Rats ransacked their nests so now they shun us.
Round luckier houses now
They crowd their evening dirt-track meetings,

Racing their discords, screaming as if speed-burned,
Head-height, clipping the doorway
With their leaden velocity and their butterfly lightness,
Their too much power, their arrow-thwack into the eaves.

Every year a first-fling, nearly flying
Misfit flopped in our yard,
Groggily somersaulting to get airborne.
He bat-crawled on his tiny useless feet, tangling his flails

Like a broken toy, and shrieking thinly
Till I tossed him up - then suddenly he flowed away under
His bowed shoulders of enormous swimming power,
Slid away along levels wobbling

On the fine wire they have reduced life to,
And crashed among the raspberries.
Then followed fiery hospital hours
In a kitchen. The moustached goblin savage

Nested in a scarf. The bright blank
Blind, like an angel, to my meat-crumbs and flies.
Then eyelids resting. Wasted clingers curled.
The inevitable balsa death.
                                        Finally burial
For the husk
Of my little Apollo -

The charred scream
Folded in its huge power.

Ted Hughes
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« Reply #726 on: 05:28:07, 21-08-2008 »

Thanks for introducing me to Ted Hughes, hh. I think I've heard of him, but not more than that.

Al principe

Se torna il sole, se discende la sera,
   se la notte ha un sapore di notti future,
se un pomeriggio di pioggia sembra tornare
   da tempi troppo amati e mai avuti del tutto,
io non sono pių felice, nč di goderne nč di soffrirne:
   non sento pių, davanti a me, tutta la vita...
Per essere poeti, bisogna avere molto tempo:
   ore e ore di solitudine sono il solo modo
perchč si formi qualcosa, che č forza , abbandono,
   vizio, libertā, per dare stile al caos.
Io tempo ormai ne ho poco: per colpa della morte
   che viene avanti, al tramonto della gioventų.
Ma per colpa anche di questo nostro mondo umano,
   che ai poveri toglie il pane, ai poeti la pace.



To the prince

When the sun rises, when the evening falls,
   when the night tastes of future nights,
when the rainy afternoon seems to return
   from times which one loved too well but never fully owned,
so am I no longer glad to enjoy, nor suffer, them:
   I no longer sense a whole life laid out before me...
To be a poet requires much time:
   Solitude, hours upon hours, is the only way,
to get something to form, which is force, nonchalance,
   vice, freedom, to give style to the chaos.
Time I have but little: death is to blame,
   which draws closer with the decline of youth.
But to blame is also our human world,
   which steals bread from the poor, and peace from the poet.

-Pier Paolo Pasolini
tr.: TF
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« Reply #727 on: 08:41:26, 21-08-2008 »

Thanks for introducing me to Ted Hughes, hh. I think I've heard of him, but not more than that.

There's more here.

I'm sure I posted a bit of Crow somewhere but I can't seem to find it...

In which case...

Crow Tyrannosaurus

Creation quaked voices -
It was a cortège
Of mourning and lament
Crow could hear and he looked around fearfully.

The swift's body fled past
Pulsating
With insects
And their anguish, all it had eaten.

The cat's body writhed
Gagging
A tunnel
Of incoming death-struggles, sorrow on sorrow.

And the dog was a bulging filterbag
Of all the deaths it had gulped for the flesh and the bones.
It could not digest their screeching finales.
Its shapeless cry was a blort of all those voices.

Even man he was a walking
Abattoir
Of innocents -
His brain incinerating their outcry.

Crow thought 'Alas
Alas ought I
To stop eating
And try to become the light?'

But his eye saw a grub. And his head, trapsprung, stabbed.
And he listened
And he heard
Weeping

Grubs   grubs   He stabbed   he stabbed
Weeping
Weeping

Weeping he walked and stabbed

Thus came the eye's
                               roundness
                                                the ear's
                                                              deafness.

Crow Communes

'Well,' said Crow, 'What first?'
God, exhausted with Creation, snored.
'Which way?' said Crow, 'Which way first?'
God's shoulder was the mountain on which Crow sat.
'Come,' said Crow, 'Let's discuss the situation.'
God lay, agape, a great carcase.

Crow tore off a mouthful and swallowed.

'Will this cipher divulge itself to digestion
Under hearing beyond understanding?'

(That was the first jest.)

Yet, it's true, he suddenly felt much stronger.

Crow, the hierophant, humped, impenetrable.

Half-illumined. Speechless.

(Appalled.)

Crow's Fall

When Crow was white he decided the sun was too white.
He decided it glared much too whitely.
He decided to atack it and defeat it.

He got his strength flush and in full glitter.
He clawed and fluffed his rage up.
He aimed his beak direct at the sun's centre.

He laughed himself to the centre of himself

And attacked.

At his battle cry trees grew suddenly old,
Shadows flattened.

But the sun brightened -
It brightened, and Crow returned charred black.

He opened his mouth but what came out was charred black.

'Up there,' he managed,
'Where white is black and black is white, I won.'

Crow's Last Stand

Burning
            burning
                        burning
                                    there was finally something
The sun could not burn, that it had rendered
Everything down to - a final obstacle
Against which it raged and charred

And rages and chars

Limpid among the glaring furnace clinkers
The pulsing blue tongues and the red and the yellow
The green lickings of the conflagration

Limpid and black -

Crow's eye-pupil, in the tower of its scorched fort.

Ted Hughes

I'll stop now. It strikes me with a lot of the poems in Crow that it's often a single line or a couplet that I love. Would it be the same without the rest of the poem?
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« Reply #728 on: 10:04:24, 21-08-2008 »

Ted Hughes was the widower of Sylvia Plath, of whom you may have heard.
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« Reply #729 on: 10:16:34, 21-08-2008 »

Ted Hughes was the widower of Sylvia Plath, of whom you may have heard.

Indeed. And Chaucer is all about her.
It's from Birthday Letters, which is (IIRC) all about her and about their relationship.

The Dogs Are Eating Your Mother

That is not your mother but her body.
She leapt from our window
And fell there. Those are not dogs
That seem to be dogs
Pulling at her. Remember the lean hound
Running up the lane holding high
The dangling raw windpipe and lungs
Of a fox? Now see who
Will drop on all fours at the end of the street
And come romping towards your mother,
Pulling her remains, with their lips
Lifted like dog's lips
Into new positions. Protect her
And they will tear you down
As if you were more her.
They will find you every bit
As succulent as she is. Too late
To salvage what she was.
I buried her where she fell.
You played around the grave. We arranged
Sea-shells and big veined pebbles
Carried from Appledore
As if we were herself. But a kind
Of hyena came aching upwind.
They dug her out. Now they batten
On the cornucopia
Of her body. Even
Bite the face off her gravestone,
Gulp down the grave ornaments,
Swallow the very soil.
                                 So leave her.
Let her be their spoils. Go wrap
Your head in the snowy rivers
Of the Brooks Range. Cover
Your eyes with the writhing airs
Off the Nullarbor Plains. Let them
Jerk their tail-stumps, bristle and vomit
Over their symposia.
                               Think her better
Spread with holy care on a high grid
For vultures
To take back into the sun. Imagine
These bone-crushing mouths the mouths
That labour for the beetle
Who will roll her back into the sun.

Ted Hughes[/]b
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« Reply #730 on: 10:25:10, 21-08-2008 »

Hughes also collaborated several times with Gordon Crosse, a British composer highly respected in his time (and still by some of us - IIRC martle is also a fan): he gave up composing some years ago, feeling that he had nothing more to say in a way that was relevant; but he has left a smallish body of work, some of which has been rereleased this year after a long absence from the catalogue. I'd particularly commend the choral work Changes, which reveals that he'd learned a great deal from Britten without in any way producing a carbon copy.

More of his works are released on the NMC label, and I can't help feeling that had he continued to write, then Hughes's work might be better known to musicians.
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« Reply #731 on: 10:32:26, 21-08-2008 »

Does anyone know Ian McMillan's 'Ted Hughes is Elvis Presley'? One of the funniest poems I've read, though you have to know Hughes' poetry to get the jokes. Can't find a copy online.
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« Reply #732 on: 10:34:42, 21-08-2008 »

Hughes also collaborated several times with Gordon Crosse, a British composer highly respected in his time (and still by some of us - IIRC martle is also a fan): he gave up composing some years ago, feeling that he had nothing more to say in a way that was relevant; but he has left a smallish body of work, some of which has been rereleased this year after a long absence from the catalogue. I'd particularly commend the choral work Changes, which reveals that he'd learned a great deal from Britten without in any way producing a carbon copy.

More of his works are released on the NMC label, and I can't help feeling that had he continued to write, then Hughes's work might be better known to musicians.

It's very well known indeed to this one, though I think none of his other work comes near the concentration of Crow, where he climbs above the "typical Ted Hughes" quality of most of the rest of his work to create a kind of myth-cycle which at the same time is completely new and gives the impression of being more ancient than language. There's a recording of Hughes reading it which makes my hair stand on end.
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« Reply #733 on: 10:38:47, 21-08-2008 »

More of his works are released on the NMC label, and I can't help feeling that had he continued to write, then Hughes's work might be better known to musicians.

I always thought that there was a copyright issue around Hughes' work, and that he was extremely selective over granting permission to set his words (and those of Plath). Like Eliot I suppose.

I remember going to see a 'rock opera' (IIRC) of The Iron Man.
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« Reply #734 on: 10:45:40, 21-08-2008 »

Music by Pete Townshend of The Who, no less, hh (no doubt due to the Faber connection): less ground-breaking than Tommy or Quadrophenia, but not devoid of great numbers: the two on the original album, sung by John Lee Hooker and Nina Simone respectively, are real creackers...
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