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« Reply #15 on: 20:46:00, 11-05-2007 »

The viola is a noble instrument, but because it occupies the middle tessitura of the strings family, it tends to get compared with the violin and the cello. In that sense, it has a similar problem to the double bass, in that it is difficult to write well for it so that it sounds like the piece was actually written for that particular instrument.

If you try to make the double bass sound like a cello, you will probably fail, though doubtless someone will cite some exceptions. The double bass sounds at its best in repertoire written specifically for it, although unfortunately that repertoire itself isn't always the most musically satisfying. You then have the predicament of deciding whether to play cello transcriptions on the bass: better music most probably, but not entirely suited to the technical demands of the larger instrument.

I suspect that it is a similar scenario on the viola. There was something on R3 about Tertis recently: now, he could make the viola sound true to itself, and interestingly the best pieces in the programme (er, was it part of CD Review, I can't remember just now) were the pieces written especially for the viola. As my memory is off duty just now, I can't recall those either (sorry, not much help there) but I do think that Berio has written very well for viola.
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« Reply #16 on: 21:04:57, 11-05-2007 »

I think member Martin makes a good point. Why do people try to be like somebody else?
Why should viola sound like violin or cello? Why a double bass should sound like cello?
Why should clarinet sound like oboe or trumpet like french horn?

I don't know answer to these questions, but I am sure trying  to sound like Arthur Rubinstein at the moment. I can assure members of the board that I am falling short of my aspiration and don't sound anything like him. That makes me unhappy and I don't know what to do.
I think I should try to sound like myself for a while and see what will happen. Since I only play at home for myself I don't think I will hurt anybody's ears or upset anybody's aestetic feelings.
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« Reply #17 on: 23:53:22, 11-05-2007 »

I am sure, T-P, as long as you try to emulate the sound that somebody else makes, you will be missing the target (cue zen proverb: The goal is not the goal. The goal is how you approach the goal). I hope you will take some time to evaluate carefully where your strengths are as a performer, what kind of sound you want to hear, and focus on those points.

From most of your posts I suspect that you doubt that you have any real strengths as a performer. Perhaps identifying your strengths would be a good place to start. Recognize that there are some things you do exceptionally well, and remind yourself of that while you consider areas that you would like to improve.
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« Reply #18 on: 00:10:35, 12-05-2007 »

Thank you KittyBriton,
I am going to think about my strength. For some reason I always was thinking about my weak points. At the moment I seems to be short on my strong points, but I will try to discover them.
I used to think that I had a good technique, but I don't think so at the moment.
May be I have to wait for another moment.
I want to thank you for a nice post. I think it is very helpful.
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« Reply #19 on: 08:36:19, 03-03-2008 »

What is it with people's attitide to the viola ?  Smiley

t-p referred to 'mysterious' and today for Composer of the Week we read:

John Woolrich talks to Donald Macleod about what drew him towards composing, the way in which his works form a dialogue with the music of the past, and his love of the shadowy world of the viola.

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« Reply #20 on: 12:22:52, 03-03-2008 »

It does rather seem to have been overshadowed by the violin and even the cello. Oh to be smaller with nice curves!
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« Reply #21 on: 17:15:20, 03-03-2008 »

The viola is a fine, yet misunderstood instrument.  Popularly considered a poor-man's violin, in fact it's a soprano cello - tuned one octave above the standard instrument.   Although there have not, perhaps, been so many famous violists, there have been many famous musicians who have also been violists - Britten, Bridge, Rudolf Barshai, Hindemith, Mozart, and John Cale to name but a few of them.

As a Badge Of Honour, violists use the Alto Clef - a closed world to other instrumentalists, who look on in awe and respect at violists who can negotiate this recondite notation.  In fact violists are known as the "papa" of the orchestra.  This is because they are so frequently found playing "3/4 - pah-pah, - pah-pah, - pah-pah" etc.  There are many jokes about the viola; this is because its players are the only orchestral musicians with a sense of humour Wink
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« Reply #22 on: 17:17:35, 03-03-2008 »

I think the viola has one of the most beautiful sounds in the string section. I wish I had really learnt, or taught myself to play it well. I once taught it to grade 6 but it was such a trial sorting out treble clef with positions on a viola that I passed him to a real viola teacher. I do have one and occasionally play it... I should do more!! But is it too late? am I too old now ? Cry

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« Reply #23 on: 17:34:35, 03-03-2008 »

The viola is a fine, yet misunderstood instrument. ........it's a soprano cello

Or a violin whose cojones have dropped Wink

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« Reply #24 on: 17:54:31, 03-03-2008 »

in awe and respect

...or something!

I was leafing through Quantz a couple of days back. In the middle of lots of bits where he discusses ornamentation he says something along the lines of 'violists should never add ornamentation'.  Cool
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« Reply #25 on: 17:59:04, 03-03-2008 »

JS Bach, too, turned to the viola in his more advanced years.

I've heard it posited that the viola has a particular resonance (pun intended) to human ears because its register is closer to that of most human speaking voices than the other extant string instruments.  It's played with more attention to resonance than the violin (I'm thinking of "modern" instruments here) - not too much vibrato, more care in using slow bows that warm up the whole structure and draw a sound out, rather than bashing and pressing and playing higher and higher...

Viola clef a badge of honour?  Other instrumentalists looking on in awe and respect?  Huh.  I won't disillusion you, Reiner!   Wink


***oops Ollie got there just before me.  I think I quoted some choice things Quantz had to say about the viola in the Violin/Viola thread a couple months ago - will look for it now***
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« Reply #26 on: 18:02:06, 03-03-2008 »

Found it - 15 November on the Violin and Viola thread:

I've been perusing J.J. Quantz this evening, and encountered this:

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The viola is commonly regarded as of little importance in the musical establishment.  The reason may well be that it is often played by persons who are either still beginners in the ensemble or have no particular gifts with which to distinguish themselves on the violin, or that the instrument yields all too few advantages to its players, so that able people are not easily persuaded to take it up.  I maintain, however, that if the entire accompaniment is to be without defect, the violist must be just as able as the second violinist.

A 250-year-old viola joke?  Or a 250-year-old second violin joke?

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« Reply #27 on: 18:35:49, 03-03-2008 »

Other instrumentalists looking on in awe and respect?  Huh.  I won't disillusion you, Reiner!   Wink

They do though, I tell you, Strina!  All eyes are on the viola player as he plays the last two bars solo when all others around him have already finished Wink
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« Reply #28 on: 18:37:11, 03-03-2008 »

Ah, THAT'S what the end of the Ferneyhough 3rd quartet is all about... Wink
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« Reply #29 on: 13:55:39, 04-03-2008 »

Is it trendy to compose a viola concerto? Why have so many been written in the last 25 years or so?
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