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Author Topic: British rhythmic terminology  (Read 2708 times)
Biroc
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« Reply #105 on: 11:56:20, 11-07-2007 »

The Finnissey fast dances thing is really interesting and raises loads of thoughts.

I'm sure Brahms wrote out a ritardando in a symphony somewhere by doing a quadruplet going to a triplet to a duplet.  Obviously this is not 'continuous' slowing, but it raises the question why he didn't just write "rit".


Tommo

Brahms also does this at the end of the Rhapsody No. 2 op 79, a 'written-out rit', most effective it is too...
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« Reply #106 on: 12:31:33, 11-07-2007 »

Biroc - thanks, and I think I was possibly thinking about the Haydn variations, or a Serenade rather than a Symphony.

Ian - re:97  Thanks, very interesting.

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« Reply #107 on: 23:31:57, 11-07-2007 »

I wonder whether the xylophone solo at the beginning of the third movement of Bartok's Music for Strings, Percussion and Celeste counts as a written out accelerando and then rit.

And on the subject of tied hemidemisemiquavers, I took delivery of a vocal score this morning, a new edition, and I noticed that all the quavers for the vocal lines were tied, just as they would have been if it were an instrumental line. I haven't checked all my vocal scores, but I'm sure that in most, if not all, cases the quavers are always printed separately for singers, unless there are two quavers for one syllable. Why is this? What are the advantages? Not tying them together looks over fussy to me. Are the singers being encouraged to think of each word separately?
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« Reply #108 on: 23:50:01, 11-07-2007 »

I wonder whether the xylophone solo at the beginning of the third movement of Bartok's Music for Strings, Percussion and Celeste counts as a written out accelerando and then rit.
I suppose any line could be considered a series of written-out accels and rits!

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on the subject of tied hemidemisemiquavers, I took delivery of a vocal score this morning, a new edition, and I noticed that all the quavers for the vocal lines were tied
Don't you mean beamed?! (Quite different from tied ...)
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I haven't checked all my vocal scores, but I'm sure that in most, if not all, cases the quavers are always printed separately for singers, unless there are two quavers for one syllable. Why is this? What are the advantages? Not tying them together looks over fussy to me. Are the singers being encouraged to think of each word separately?
It seems to be going out of fashion now, probably because as you say it can look awfully fussy, but the convention is to use separate stems if it's for separate syllables in the text. You do beam them if a syllable is extended across several notes, though.
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« Reply #109 on: 00:06:54, 12-07-2007 »

I do mean beamed, in your sense. However, the Oxford Companion to Music, under the article Printing of Music section 2, calls the practice "tied"; i.e. the tails of quavers and such like are joined.

Also, the Bartok example is just repeated notes that get faster then slower. I don't think that all music can be said to be just accels and rits.
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« Reply #110 on: 00:38:39, 12-07-2007 »

Well, an accel or a rit doesn't have to be made up of repeated notes, by any means ...

'Tied' ought to refer to the way, for example, a crotchet is linked to a semiquaver to indicate a duration of 1.25 crotchets. The second of two tied notes is not re-attacked, whereas a run of quavers are attacked individually whether they're beamed or not.
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