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Author Topic: Disturbing failures of judgement among composers  (Read 1417 times)
Chafing Dish
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« Reply #45 on: 23:30:57, 23-07-2007 »

now we need a screen shot of the Kalmus edition! I'm on the edge of my seat!!
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« Reply #46 on: 23:36:01, 23-07-2007 »

So what edition is the Kalmus?!?!? The IBG is Nowak 1951, Vienna. With the rehearsal letters in a kind of wacky Wild West font.
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« Reply #47 on: 23:48:44, 23-07-2007 »



This be weird. IBG edition. Not great resolution but you should just be able to see the concert F#s.

It gets weirder.  Does the B9 have edition controversies like the earlier symphonies?  Because what I have before me, although alas I lack the facilities for a screenshot, is more or less totally different.

(1) The bar in question in the Kalmus is in fact 5 after D.
(2) There is no ritard. two bars before.
(3) The tutti chord in the bar in question lasts a quarter (crotchet) rather than a half (minim)...
(4) Instead of fff the two chords on the upbeat and the downbeat are marked sf, and they are both staccato.  
(5) Many of the rhythms in the bar before the chord are different; flutes and oboes, e.g., only play on the first and last crotchets.

and

(5) Some (in fact, many) of the voicings are different.  The winds are all over the place; even the second violins have an octave A on the upbeat.

That having been said, there are definitely F#s in there.

Now ...

Both the Jochum/Staatskapelle Dresden and Harnoncourt/VPO, the two version I have, seem to use your edition; most audibly, the Kalmus lacks the concert E in the horns on the third beat of the bar before the chord (only triplet figures [cls, hns 2/4/5-8, and trumpets] play on the third beat in the Kalmus...)

So what kind of crappy edition is this, anyway???  Undecided

update: there is absolutely no indication in the score of who the editor is and why.  how very, very odd. sometime I will have to try to figure this out, unless anyone wants to do it for me...
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« Reply #48 on: 00:05:51, 24-07-2007 »

Er, could it be the Löwe 'edition'?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symphony_No._9_(Bruckner)



"This was the first edition that attempted to reproduce what Bruckner actually wrote." (referring to the Orel edition)

...Ah, what great strides musicology has made.
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Chafing Dish
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« Reply #49 on: 01:38:03, 24-07-2007 »

The Kalmus edition is online, or at least A kalmus edition. The bar in question looks identical to what Ollie posted, but then, I'm not looking very carefully.

http://www.dlib.indiana.edu/variations/scores/acg4636/index.html
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