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They tend to surge a bit when moving off and the brakes can be a bit fierce too.
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« Reply #31 on: 22:39:23, 28-11-2007 » |
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"The Intention of Musick is not only to please the Ear, but to express Sentiments, strike the Imagination, affect the Mind, and command the Passions."
[Francesco Geminiani: The Art of Playing on the Violin (London 1761)]
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« Reply #32 on: 22:41:01, 28-11-2007 » |
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"The Intention of Musick is not only to please the Ear, but to express Sentiments, strike the Imagination, affect the Mind, and command the Passions."
[Francesco Geminiani: The Art of Playing on the Violin (London 1761)]
No argument with Mr. Geminiani there, Baz! Sounds fine to me too! |
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« Reply #33 on: 22:41:28, 28-11-2007 » |
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If I'm trying after a long exhaustign day to get to sleep and someone puts on a CD of Xenakis' La légende d'Eer at high volume I probably won't hear it as music even though it's one of my favourite pieces. Yes, but - and I'm not trying to be sophistical here - if you weren't hearing it as music, would you be hearing it as Xenakis' La légende d'Eer? (I've scrubbed out three goes at a sentence explaining why I ask that question, so I'll let you answer it first and then I'll try to explain after I've eaten something.) I look forward to that. Of course I'd recognise it as (intended as) music but I wouldn't hear it as music, conversely to the case of listening to the wheels of the bus going round and round, which I know are not (intended as) music but which I might choose to hear as music, cf. the case of 4'33" in which (Cage's intention was that) we (might choose to) hear whatever sounds occur during that period as music. It isn't of course a "silent" piece - Cage pointed out incessantly at that time that silence is actually impossible - it's an invitation to "make music" in hearing whatever sounds do occur, and indeed the hearing of those sounds might well fulfil Geminiani's criteria too. |
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« Reply #34 on: 22:53:10, 28-11-2007 » |
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I'd just like to highlight here that "What something is" and "What something is for" are not the same thing. (Of course we could describe music as those things which fulfil Geminiani's 'purpose' criteria. But I suspect we will argue about what constitutes that set of things.....  ) Tommo |
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« Reply #35 on: 22:56:12, 28-11-2007 » |
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The number 49 bus included.
Which number 49 bus? They all sound different you know. I'm reminded of Humph's game on ISIHAC - name the motorway roadworks |
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« Reply #36 on: 23:28:15, 28-11-2007 » |
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(I've scrubbed out three goes at a sentence explaining why I ask that question, so I'll let you answer it first and then I'll try to explain after I've eaten something.)
Tinners, my boy, I've noticed a pattern emerging - you really should try and eat earlier, you know!  |
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« Reply #37 on: 23:31:52, 28-11-2007 » |
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Hello there, stukkers.
Are you the cat or the dog?
I'm still trying to compose my thoughts for Richard. He didn't answer my question though, you know ...
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« Reply #38 on: 23:45:39, 28-11-2007 » |
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I'll have you know they are a tiger cub and a bear cub meeting (presumably for the first time) in London Zoo in 1914. But if I had to choose I'd be the former (more lazing around).  Anyway, back to music - tommo's point is a very valid one: "The intention of Musick" may be one thing, but music's reception can be quite another depending on the point of view of the listener. |
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« Reply #39 on: 00:07:13, 29-11-2007 » |
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I'd just like to highlight here that "What something is" and "What something is for" are not the same thing. Some would argue that one is just an aspect of the other. For instance, if I say something is a hammer, what does that mean? ( Heidegger thread anyone?  ) |
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« Reply #40 on: 07:26:39, 29-11-2007 » |
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I'm still trying to compose my thoughts for Richard. He didn't answer my question though, you know ...
Well I did at least try...  |
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« Reply #41 on: 07:37:01, 29-11-2007 » |
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I'd just like to highlight here that "What something is" and "What something is for" are not the same thing. (Of course we could describe music as those things which fulfil Geminiani's 'purpose' criteria. But I suspect we will argue about what constitutes that set of things..... ) I offered that quote because it chimed well with the concept of intention that had already been raised by others. Geminiani does of course then go on (for the rest of his book) to say what music "is", and to give exhaustive examples of it. But it is here that this discussion would rightly take off in a number of different directions. Baz |
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« Reply #42 on: 08:31:42, 29-11-2007 » |
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"The Intention of Musick is not only to please the Ear, but to express Sentiments, strike the Imagination, affect the Mind, and command the Passions."
[Francesco Geminiani: The Art of Playing on the Violin (London 1761)]
Command?!  Tread with care, Mr Geminiani. You'll be accused of being manipulative and propagandist if you don't tone that one down a bit. A bit of wiggle room for disparate subjective response, if you please. |
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« Reply #43 on: 08:37:15, 29-11-2007 » |
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"The Intention of Musick is not only to please the Ear, but to express Sentiments, strike the Imagination, affect the Mind, and command the Passions."
[Francesco Geminiani: The Art of Playing on the Violin (London 1761)]
Command? Tread with care, Mr Geminiani. You'll be accused of being manipulative and propagandist if you don't tone that one down a bit. What a very "late-20th c" view there George! Baz  |
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« Reply #44 on: 08:49:32, 29-11-2007 » |
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"The Intention of Musick is not only to please the Ear, but to express Sentiments, strike the Imagination, affect the Mind, and command the Passions."
[Francesco Geminiani: The Art of Playing on the Violin (London 1761)]
Command?! Tread with care, Mr Geminiani. You'll be accused of being manipulative and propagandist if you don't tone that one down a bit. A bit of wiggle room for disparate subjective response, if you please. Oh - you just added a bit! Well - what a very "early-21st c" response there George! Baz |
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