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..but his chances of displacing Martinů from the top of my list of favourite Czeck violin concertos are to be fair slim.
Which is No.1 for you? No.1 or No.2?  Actually, rather than divert the 'Now Spinning thread', I'd be interested to hear what Czech Violin Concertos people like. I like a lot of the Czech music I hear, but when it comes to Violin Concertos I'm always a bit disappointed. As a fiddler who doesn't get to do a lot of concertos, I'd quite like to play something I like when I do gt the chance. I would probably agree that the Martinus are amongst the best. The Dvorak has a great start, but just loses my interest after a while. The Dohnanyi is just flashy up and down scales. I'm sort of getting into the Tucapsky, but it's not exactly great. Richard mentioned an incomplete Janacek - I'd love to hear that! Even better if there was a lost Smetana one. And did FIbich write one I haven't heard of? Any thoughts most welcome. I'd also be keen on knowing about Viola concerti, but please don't feel you have to stick to those instruments on my account. Thanks Tommo |
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« Reply #1 on: 22:43:56, 18-12-2007 » |
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Tommo, I think my favourite Martinu violin concerto is actually the one for violin, piano and orchestra. The Janacek is on this very fine and very cheap disc with the Berg and Hartmann concertos  played by Thomas Zehetmair and conducted by Heinz Holliger. |
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« Reply #2 on: 22:52:13, 18-12-2007 » |
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There's a very nice Double Concerto for Piano & Violin (and string orchestra) by Hummel, one of his earlier pieces. (Hummel really is Czech, but that seems to get forgotten).
AFAIK the Janacek Concerto is "restored" from material from the opera HOUSE OF THE DEAD... he'd apparently wanted to write a Violin Concerto but had put the project aside... he then reused it in HOTD, where it's prominently featured in the Overture, and at other places. As usual there is a heap of reference material by John Tyrell about this.
I have a vague memory of some kind of Rhapsody by Suk, too?
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« Reply #3 on: 23:06:16, 18-12-2007 » |
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Oooo Oooo Oooo - Thanks chaps. I wonder if it's too late for a Christmas list addition....
Rei, is it Suk's "Fantasy for Violin and Orchestra" you are thinking of?
[The only Suk-Rhapsody thing is I can find in the net is Martinu's Rhapsody-Concertante for Viola played by Josef Suk (the violinist/violist grandson of the composer) - which is a fave work of mine.]
Tommo
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« Reply #4 on: 23:39:59, 18-12-2007 » |
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Could well be the Suk Fantasy I'm thinking of, Tommo! I heard it played in Brno donkey's years ago, and of course I no longer have the concert program to refer to  |
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« Reply #5 on: 23:42:59, 18-12-2007 » |
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AFAIK the Janacek Concerto is "restored" from material from the opera HOUSE OF THE DEAD... he'd apparently wanted to write a Violin Concerto but had put the project aside... True, except that there apparently are genuine violin concerto sketches on the backs of several pages of the autograph score of From the House of the Dead, although how anyone can tell, given Janacek's handwriting, I really don't know. Here's a bit of Jenufa:  Anyway, the reconstructed Violin Concerto is a fascinating piece and sounds like late Janacek, so there you are. |
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« Reply #6 on: 00:13:06, 19-12-2007 » |
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I just marvel anew at Mackerras conducting the sitzprobe of House of the Dead with the score and pages of the manuscript (which was being faxed over as we proceeded, and being placed on the rostrum as groups of pages arrived) together in front of him, calling out corrections on the fly, despite the fact he was seeing some of the manuscript for the first time.
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« Reply #7 on: 00:50:27, 19-12-2007 » |
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I have an (unplayed) Supraphon LP of late baroque Czech violin concertos, if you're unfamiliar with them I'll give them a play and maybe put a movmt of each on the sendit site.
Josef Myslivecek
Jiri Antonin Benda
Karel Stamic
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« Reply #8 on: 08:28:44, 19-12-2007 » |
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Yes please John, if it's not too much trouble.
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Tommo
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« Reply #9 on: 09:08:00, 19-12-2007 » |
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The first of the two violin concerti of Victor Kalabis has a good reputation. Mark Morris in his book says "it makes an interesting work for those exploring the violin concerto beyond the usual repertoire." It was written in 1958, but we have not actually heard it, only his 1954 piano concerto, which is indeed a fine work. The second violin concerto dates from 1978.
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« Reply #10 on: 09:13:21, 19-12-2007 » |
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And although he didn't exactly push the boat out when it comes to violin concertos it's always worth remembering that a certain Gustav Mahler was born in what was then part of Bohemia and is now part of the Czeck Republick. Come and pay a visit to sunny Wallow today! |
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« Reply #11 on: 12:54:17, 19-12-2007 » |
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It's only fair to mention the other recording of the Janacek, available on a Virgin Double (if you know where to look and Mort will allow mention of that name): http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bartók-Janácek-Concertos-Orchestra-Sonatas/dp/B00005UUQB It's also worth mentioning that the Apex disc mentioned by rb is also available as part of a super-bargain Apex box which also includes the Boulez recordings of Berio's Sinfonia and Eindrücke, another Boulez disc of music by Elliott Carter as well as a Dallapiccola disc under Zender. http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product//0927494202.htmŁ15 for 4 discs isn't bad: mine came from the States for about half that, including postage....better still! Apologies that the Amazon link is having problems: I've tried to reinstate it several times; perhaps it's yet another case of Mort's Virginia triangle. |
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« Reply #12 on: 15:02:49, 19-12-2007 » |
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Ron - it's fine if you take the accents off Bartok and Janacek
By the way, please could someone remind me where we have the character store with accents on.
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Tommo
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« Reply #14 on: 19:34:12, 19-12-2007 » |
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By the way, please could someone remind me where we have the character store with accents on.
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