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Author Topic: At Least Nine Hundred and Sixty Crackpot Quotations  (Read 1382 times)
Sydney Grew
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« on: 09:24:24, 26-07-2008 »

1) "Just as Nature will always place elephants and crocodiles, for example, where she can provide their life's necessities, so she will place a Beethoven - if indeed ever again - among the German people!"

- Heinrich Schenker, "Free Composition" (Der freie Satz)   
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« Reply #1 on: 10:25:03, 26-07-2008 »

2) "The first of the Arnstadt compositions to call for attention is the well-known Prelude and Fugue in C minor (II., 48). The faults of the work are obvious, but it is still sufficiently effective to deserve playing, even by those of us who have left the pupil stage far behind."

Harvey Grace, The Organ Works of Bach, p. 15

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« Reply #2 on: 10:33:30, 26-07-2008 »

3) "The creation of clausulae certainly helped to make the chants more interesting, but then they were back to the same problem of losing track of the words. You just can't win. (Sometimes it seems like the whole history of music is one long game of people putting words to music, taking them out and putting them back in again. It's enough to make you dizzy.)
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« Reply #3 on: 10:47:55, 26-07-2008 »

1) "Just as Nature will always place elephants and crocodiles, for example, where she can provide their life's necessities, so she will place a Beethoven - if indeed ever again - among the German people!"
- From Heinrich Schenker, "Free Composition" (Der freie Satz)



"How The Sonata Got Its Extended Coda

In the land of the fair in the tree-filled North, O My Best Beloved, lived a race of composers who 'sclusively knew when to stop. The Devious Spohr, the Cackling Mozart, and 'sclusivest of all, the Periwigged Haydn all knew, Best Beloved, how to bring a last movement to a halt on the width of a pfennig. Their skill was renowned and praised throughout the land. But among them was placed a Contrary Child who shook his fist at the heavens for, try as he might, he could not get his Codas to stop in the way of the Elders. Try as he might, and with great might he tried, O Best Beloved, just as he thought he had reached the tonic, his finale jumped up and started all over again. The Contrary Child wept and tore at his hair but ... " [cont p 94.]

                                                          Rudyard Adorno [Maker of Exceedingly Good Black Forest Gateaux]
 
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« Reply #4 on: 07:27:17, 27-07-2008 »

We must infer that Harvey Grace, writing in the early 1920s, lived some considerable time before Historically Informed Performance was to be conceived!
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Sydney Grew
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« Reply #5 on: 12:45:56, 27-07-2008 »

6) "To begin, then, let us focus on the time span (a, x) as a conceptual object in a conceptual space, modeling [sic] our sense that something 'begins at time point a' and 'extends for x time-units' thereafter. We can ask, what is this absolute conceptual time-unit? In practice, we often proceed as if it were the minute. We do so, that is, when we write metronome marks which reduce various contextual units, in various pieces or passages of music, to fractions of a minute. The minute is not commensurate with our sense of a 'beat,' but we can use the second for that purpose if we wish, dividing all the metronome numbers by 60. Neither the minute nor the second, though, is very satisfactory as a would-be absolute conceptual time unit; both are derived from certain relative periodic motions of the earth, the sun, and the moon. Scientists today find these motions so erratic and irregular that they use other conceptual units of time for precise measurements. But even those units, deriving from certain sub-atomic motions, are clearly contextual. And that does not even begin to engage other technical problems involving Relativity and quantum mechanics in connection with such sub-atomic 'fixed' units of time.

"In short, if we declare any one time-unit to have absolute conceptual priority, that is a matter of computational convenience, or of scientific, sociological, or religious convention, rather then [sic] manifest musical reality. Abandoning this approach, we can make our absolute time-unit a matter of notational structure: We can call it 'the brevis' or 'the perfection' or 'the whole note' or the notated beat,' for instance. But then we are throwing the whole problem back onto some notational convention that is highly restricted socio-historically, a convention that indeed already presupposes a highly structured theory of measuring time by some pre-existing absolute unit. And that will not help us in our inquiry."

- David Lewin, "Generalized Musical Intervals and Transformations" (from Chapter 4: "Generalized Interval Systems (3): A Non-Commutative GIS")
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« Reply #6 on: 16:30:11, 27-07-2008 »

David Lewin -- brilliant theoretician and crackpot! Thanks for that, Mr Grew. I do enjoy his work immensely.

7) "Suppose that we were asked to arrange the following in two categories -- distance, mass, electric force, entropy, beauty, melody.

"I think there are strongest grounds for placing entropy alongside beauty and melody, and not with the first three. Entropy is only found when the parts are viewed in association, and it is by viewing or hearing the parts in association that beauty and melody are discerned."

From Lewin, David. "Some Applications of Communication Theory to the Study of Twelve-Tone Music"
Journal of Music Theory, Vol. 12/1 (Spring 1968)
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« Reply #7 on: 16:42:05, 27-07-2008 »

David Lewin -- brilliant theoretician and crackpot! Thanks for that, Mr Grew. I do enjoy his work immensely.
I have a certain warm spot for him as well.
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Sydney Grew
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« Reply #8 on: 15:14:10, 28-07-2008 »

8) "In music, as in other areas of life, 'the sixties' began in 1965."

- Paul Griffiths, "Modern Music and After"
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« Reply #9 on: 15:34:11, 28-07-2008 »

9) "Aleatory structures can, indeed, be seen as peculiarly appropriate to atonal music in general. The creation of musical works without tonal harmony had been a problem for half a century, ever since the first atonal works of Schoenberg for with the loss of tonality had come the loss of the means of creating goal-orientated forms, those means depending on the tonal phenomena of preparation, modulation and resolution. Schoenberg, Webern, Stockhausen and Boulez had all tried various ways of getting round this problem; aleatory composition allowed it to be ignored".

Paul Griffiths - Modern music, p.178.
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« Reply #10 on: 09:38:12, 30-07-2008 »

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The damage done to orchestras by absentee music directors may take longer to show through given the astonishing competence of professional musicians, who can get by with almost anyone on the podium. It is to conductors that the breach has proved most disastrous. Previn and Ozawa are cases of music fatigue. Less visible are the younger casualties who drop out from overwork and lose their bearings before they attain prominence. The umbilical cord that Karajan cut between a music director and his orchestra has snarled up and started to strangle the conducting profession.

The 'Admirable' Norman Lebrecht, The Maestro Myth, pp 152-3.
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« Reply #11 on: 09:41:15, 30-07-2008 »

Cool "In music, as in other areas of life, 'the sixties' began in 1965."

- Paul Griffiths, "Modern Music and After"


I always thought that was a rather glib reference to Larkin's Annus mirabilis... but then I looked it up and saw that sexual intercourse in fact began in 1963. So there you go. You learn something new every day.
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« Reply #12 on: 13:32:50, 30-07-2008 »

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... tout musicien qui n'a pas ressenti - nous ne disons pas compris, mais bien ressenti - la nécessité de la langage dodécaphonique est INUTILE.

Pierre Boulez, "Eventuellement" (1952)
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Sydney Grew
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« Reply #13 on: 09:46:39, 31-07-2008 »

12) "Sounds can do anything. They can kill. The whole Indian mantric tradition knows that with sounds you can concentrate on any part of the body and calm it down, excite it, even hurt it in the extreme." (Carl-Heinz Stockhausen, German musician, writing in 1972 of his "Alphabet für Liège," a public exhibition of the deleterious effects of acoustic vibrations on defenceless fish.)

- Quoted in Paul Griffiths, "Modern Music and After"
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« Reply #14 on: 08:48:16, 01-08-2008 »

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In the fundamental nature of their respective individualities and methods of work they also differ from each other as completely as it is possible for two artists to do. Handel was a somewhat careless and unequal writer, and if he survives to-day in our concert-rooms practically by virtue of one single work, the Messiah, the reason is to be found in the fact that, although almost all his other works are full of the most admirable sections, these are found side by side with others so markedly inferior as to be almost commonplace. All his works, in fact, with the one notable exception already alluded to, are mere centos - gigantic improvisations, thrown off with effortless rapidity in heedless profusion and pieced together with the utmost nonchalance, in which sublimity and triviality, inspiration and mere hack journeyman's work are strangely intermingled. Bach on the contrary, despite his equally gigantic output, was evidently a slow and painstaking worker. He may have actually written his music down with great rapidity, but it is impossible to doubt that each work must nevertheless have been the outcome of a long period of intensely concentrated thought and spiritual gestation. While Handel's scores are frequently so sketchy and hastily written that it has often been found to be impossible to perform them satisfactorily as they actually stand, without some measure of alteration and adaptation. Bach's works are almost invariably carefully realized and executed, perfectly finished in detail, and can for the most part be performed to-day without the alteration or addition of a single note. In fact we may say that Handel's vast output resembles the ruins of Pompeii, in which an occasional building here and there has miraculously escaped total destruction by the ashes and cinders of oblivion, but that the work of Bach is a musical Herculaneum, hermetically sealed up by the lava of contemporary neglect, which has remained intact throughout the ages, and has only recently been unearthed, to the wonder and admiration of men. Handel to-day is paying the penalty for his instantaneous success, recognition, and popularity, and for the homage of the age for which he wrote; Bach now, at long last, reaps the reward of writing, not consciously perhaps, for posterity - probably no great artist ever does - but for himself alone, or, what is very much the same thing, ad majorem Dei gloriam.

Cecil Gray, The History of Music, pp 153-4
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