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Author Topic: H&N 24/03/07  (Read 1342 times)
Evan Johnson
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« Reply #30 on: 16:36:15, 27-03-2007 »

There's a lack of any new music festival, other than the excellent June in Buffalo, that has both an international standing and serves as a place of focus for really radical and individual composition (I don't count Tanglewood). It seems very hard for composers to make a showing outside of the universities there (unless they turn into the usual type of 'orchestra'-composers, or become boppy minimalists), though there are some good things that have happened in New York and Chicago and a few other places, inevitably surviving on pitiful budgets, though. But E & A could certainly say more about all of this.

Well, I don't want my general and barely-provoked lament to be read as anything unduly significant, and it's certainly not worth hijacking a thread over.    But thank you Ian for the flattering if doubtfully deserved characterization.

There are in fact a fair number of composers who are doing interesting, counter-mainstream, challenging, thoughtful work in the US, and the fact that I know of a fair number means there must be significantly more; but, as everywhere, the young(ish) composers that are presented to the public for their attention are not they.  I certainly don't want to suggest that the situation here is necessarily worse than anywhere else, particularly Britain; the difference is mainly in the particulars, in what sort of work is presented as acceptable and mainstream. 

However, what I do want to suggest is this: I, and I imagine any other Americans reading these boards, look upon the general lament over the fate of H&N, its poor timeslot, its reduction in duration, etc., with a bit of bemusement.  The US, as you may know, does not have a national radio network (such socialism!!!!!) so much as a partially (!) federally funded radio production company, National Public Radio, whose content local stations can buy and broadcast at their discretion.  NPR has some classical music broadcasting, but local outlets often fail to pick it up, leaving major metropolitan areas (Washington DC, where I grew up, was briefly one of them recently until public outcry reversed the local station's decision to run all talk radio all the time) without any classical music at all on the radio, let alone contemporary music.  The idea of a show devoted to contemporary music - let alone occasionally challenging etc. contemporary music - being broadcast nationwide, at 11 pm on Saturday night or otherwise, is absolutely incomprehensible here.  So be thankful for what you have.  End of public service announcement.

And I agree with Ian that one of the big systemic problems the American new music scene has is a lack of a big festival.  June in Buffalo, wonderful as it is in many ways, doesn't count, because it is primarily an educational endeavor for the enrolled students; the concerts, even those of the "faculty" composers, are often not reviewed in the local Buffalo paper, let alone broadcast on NPR or anywhere else; the latter is totally ridiculous to even contemplate.  We do not have a Huddersfield, or a Donaueschingen, or a Wien Modern, or an Agora, or a Warsaw Autumn, etc. - we do not have a large, relatively public, relatively intelligently curated, relatively extended festival of contemporary music.  Simply doesn't exist. There have been a few brave attempts, but the state of funding is such that they are inevitably brief, poorly publicized, poorly attended, and generally of only local interest.  If someone were to be able to start such a thing here, somehow, it would be a HUGE step in the right direction.
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« Reply #31 on: 19:44:22, 27-03-2007 »

though there are some good things that have happened in New York and Chicago and a few other places, inevitably surviving on pitiful budgets, though. But E & A could certainly say more about all of this.

Let me chime in by sharing a bit of what I've done w/ my own pitiful budget as director of the New Music Northwestern concert/lecture series at Northwestern Univ in Chicago.  In the 18 mo or so that I've been running this (admittedly tiny and often poorly-attended) series, we've performed works by the following:

New Music Marathon (including works by, among numerous others, Paul Koonce, Steve Takasugi, Arvo Pärt, Stefano Gervasoni, Jason Eckardt, and half a dozen or so works by Alvin Lucier, who was the featured guest)
Repetition & Loops (Peter Ablinger, Aldo Clementi, Philip Glass, Beat Furrer, Bernhard Lang, Jurg Frey, Lucier)
Steve Reich 70th Birthday tribute
New Voices (Sam Mirelman, Marianthi Papalexandri-Alexandri, Jean-Francois Laporte, Fred Gifford, Rob Wannamaker ... a second New Voices concert is planned for May)
Graeme Jennings, violin (Maderna, Berio, Sciarrino, Scodanibbio, Donatoni)
International Contemporary Ensemble (coming up in a week or so ... Rebecca Saunders, Carola Bauckholt, Philippe Hurel, Ignacio Baca Lobera, Donatoni)
JACK Quartet (in May ... Lachenmann, Xenakis)

In general, I completely agree w/ the assessments of Ian & Evan -- the situation here is a bit bleak, w/ little infrastructural support for new music, and in particular new music that lives anywhere outside of mainstream (American) orchestral music or various streams of post-minimalist and/or neo-thisorthat music -- but I actually see quite a lot of very interesting and increasingly hopeful bits of new music programming across the country.  Chicago now has a whole slew of new music groups, including the CSO's notable MusicNOW series ... it's true that many (most?) are programming primarily conservative or conservative-ish music, but there is at least an effort being made to expand the offerings of new music.  There are similar efforts in NYC (Ensemble 21, Ensemble Sospeso (which may or may not actually now be defunct), the Music at the Anthology festival, etc.) and LA (which seems to have quite a lot of interesting activity at the moment, ranging from the experimental music of places like CalArts to the LA Philharmonic's excellent Green Umbrella series (which has programmed everything from various big names like Saariaho or Gubaidulina (or, ehem, Ades) to Liza Lim and Anthony Pateras).  And then there are excellent efforts in places like Buffalo (which now features a rather spectacular-sounding "Center for 21st Century Music," in addition to the June in Buffalo festival), the University of Iowa, Milwaukee, ... there are others.

There's nowhere near enough innovative programming, for my tastes, but there are at least steps in the right direction.  There are a few rather significant (and perhaps even insurmountable) hurdles:

First, funding is extraordinarily scarce.  Many of the best ensembles form with young, exceptional, and adventuresome performers often still in or just fresh out of school; there is rarely enough money for these ensembles to become fully professional groups that pay a fair wage to their performers after they get tired of still living like students well into their 30s.  These groups seem to disband after 4-6 years.

Second, the major institutions (festivals, residency programs, etc.) are currently run by (or are composed of juries made up of) composers of the generation of American composers who came of age in an era of American composition which was rather heavy-handedly (?) controlled to squelch anything outside of a post-serial idiom.  This younger group rebelled rather fiercely, and are responding by, it seems to me, supporting only work that looks back to the aesthetics and materials of late 19th/early 20th century music _or_ that draws on the influences of popular music (in the vein of Bang on a Can, misc. post-minimalism, Totalism, etc., etc.).  Thus, commissions, residencies, grants, awards, etc. are now going to young composers who are writing similar work, which leaves composers like, say, me, Evan, Rob, etc., etc., etc.) to struggle to find support for our work, domestically.

Third, music of the adventuresome sort has for too long been restricted to the university (and, even then, only a select few universities).  This seems to be directly connected to the first point -- the university is one of the few places where there is any funding to be able to support such pursuits; outside of the university, programming is (needs to be?) driven by its commercial/financial viability.  The effect here is two-pronged:  first, the impression is given that such music is intended only for a small cognoscenti, a kind of elite, 'insider art' that is only appreciated by other composers w/ or acquiring PhDs (there are many w/in the American mainstream who assert that this view is cultivated by musical academia -- it's a view I don't agree w/ in the slightest, but it does seem to be the prevailing image of this sort of music); second, because what few concerts of new/innovative/experimental/etc music happen primarily on university campuses, this work doesn't reach a wider audience, and, in particular, it doesn't reach the sorts of young, adventuresome listeners who might, for example, go listen to noise rock/free improvisation/sound installations/etc, much less the sort of audience that frequents contemporary art museums/galleries.

Fourth, because of the limits of funding, rehearsal time for professional ensembles is exceptionally scarce.  This dramatically limits the sort of work that can be programmed.  In these contexts, it's nearly impossible to successfully program even mainstream new work (a typical new piece in an orchestral setting might get 90 minutes of rehearsal time, at most).


Anyhow, all this said, I still see some signs of hope, and I see an increasing uprising from younger composers.  Much of it is done in an underground, guerrilla fashion, but even this is useful, in its way.

And, as my days here on the faculty seem numbered, perhaps Evan & I will join forces next year to start a festival outside of the academic/orchestral limits.  Anyone want to give us lots of money to try?

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« Reply #32 on: 15:27:52, 29-03-2007 »

This is probably too late for anyone to take any notice now, but these were approximately my thoughts on the ostensible subject of this thread:

Both composers were basically using the orchestra as a "sample-playback" device. While Chris Cutler's piece held my attention principally through the activities of the improvising soloists and their relationship to the orchestra, the John Oswald pieces (as Robert Sandall pointed out) showed how unwieldy the orchestra is for doing this kind of thing, compared with an electronic box of tricks such as Oswald is more accustomed to using. The conceit of taking out all the accidentals and dynamics from the Siegfried Idyll is I suppose mildly interesting, but you get the idea within a couple of minutes, after which the music doggedly drags itself towards its conclusion for all the world (as Robert also pointed out) like one of the more tedious offerings by Pärt or Vasks. (Otherwise it was interesting to note how many times Wagner cropped up in the other pieces, like the moment in the Cutler piece where the Lohengrin prelude was obliterated by a barrage of building-site-like noise, another predictable favourite being the Rite of Spring.) I'm full of admiration for Ilan Volkov for putting this experiment together, but if the "research outcome" was intended to be interesting and innovative music, it didn't really succeed for me except in the case of Cutler and his fellow soloists in the second half, whose playing mostly seemed to undermine the piece and its concept by exposing the orchestral clichés behind them for what they were. By all means let's see the orchestra used in different and exploratory ways, but using it as more of a museum-like institution than it already is struck me as something of a dead end.
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« Reply #33 on: 15:44:44, 29-03-2007 »

Thanks Richard.
I was listening to it again last night and found that I liked the Concerto for Conductor rather more than before, but as I said earlier, it seemed to contain the germs of a number of different interesting ideas, none of which were pursued.
Interesting thoughts about the Cutler. I gave up half way through my second listening (someone rang me and I didn't have the enthusiasm to go back to it) but I'm planning to listen to it again with your thoughts in mind.
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« Reply #34 on: 16:44:53, 29-03-2007 »

Listened to this show a couple of times today before I noticed this thread was here. I have to say I've yet to be impressed with Oswald. I like the idea of him, and I like plenty of other plunderphonic-ish artists, but I've yet to hear anything of his that's grabbed me, and that goes for his orchestral stuff here too.

Actually, listening to Concerto for Conductor in particular I couldn't get Susumu Yokota's Symbol out of my head, an ambient dance album constructed entirely from classical samples. Oswald's music sounded to me uneasily halfway between a terribly polite version of Negativland, and a less trendy dinner-party-oriented version of Yokota. And I agree with HH - just too short to really go anywhere interesting.

It was interesting what RS said about Oswald's limitations once he steps outside pop source material, because Yokota's sources are entirely classical (although all sampled, which I think is crucial and closer to what RS was getting at). Interestingly, Yokota's range of sources is rather broader, and he manages to retain his distinctive voice on top. (It's still a bit of a cheesy record, though.)
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