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« on: 09:43:39, 27-09-2007 »

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7013638.stm

This has already been mentioned on the 'Religion is Evil' thread, but I thought I'd flag it up here as well.

Whether it is anything to do with 'religion' or not, and whether it might be happening without a 'religious' motivation, I don't know, but I am just humbled and lost in admiration for the courage of the Buddhist monks who have taken it upon themselves to stand up to the military Government in Burma and possibly lose everything in the process. I think they deserve our gratitude and support whatever our views on religion happen to be. 

There's a summary of the reasons why the country is called Burma in the UK and the US, but Myanmar by much of the rest of the world on the BBC website: click here.

On Facebook, people are being encouraged to wear a red t-shirt tomorrow to show solidarity with the monks. I've not seen it advertised anywhere else, but I think I'll be doing this.
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« Reply #1 on: 11:47:27, 27-09-2007 »

I entirely agree with your feelings,  but considering that Burma's been a military dictatorship for over 40 years, I doubt they will take any notice of our t-shirts tomorrow  Angry

Consecutive British Governments have wrung their hands about the situation in Burma - and done nothing. Meantime China is getting rich off sanctions-busting, totally undermining what little the world's "leading" nations have tried to do.  Singapore has also aided and abetted the Rangoon regime substantially. Miliband Snr hasn't so far exercised himself on the matter (whilst simultaneously reading speeches about Human Rights at his Party Conference, in which he failed to even mention Burma). This seems rather strange, since he wasted no time expelling four Russian diplomats, and putting the brakes on visa-issue to Russians planning to visit the UK (numbers now reduced to a Cold-War trickle).  But the situation in Burma, we presume, doesn't merit such a level of seriousness, and Miliband prefers to embrace a C19th foreign policy gambit known as "masterly inaction".

Let's be quite clear - wearing t-shirts will achieve nothing. The proper avenue for putting pressure on Rangoon now would be freezing Burma's bank-accounts and assets in the UK, putting a 100% block on entry to the UK for all Govt officials of "Myanmar", and calling the "Myanmaran" Ambassador to the Court of St James and giving him seven days to effect from current harassment of the protestors or face summary dismissal.

Perhaps Mr Miliband thinks its worth waiting until there's a bloodbath first?  More likely, he is waiting to get his orders from Condoleeza Rice.
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« Reply #2 on: 12:14:49, 27-09-2007 »

Let's be quite clear - wearing t-shirts will achieve nothing. The proper avenue for putting pressure on Rangoon now would be freezing Burma's bank-accounts and assets in the UK, putting a 100% block on entry to the UK for all Govt officials of "Myanmar", and calling the "Myanmaran" Ambassador to the Court of St James and giving him seven days to effect from current harassment of the protestors or face summary dismissal.
Ooh! Can I do that? [sarcastic smiley]

Of course wearing a t-shirt won't change anything, anymore than wearing a wristband and marching around Edinburgh made poverty history.
I'll be writing to my MP and to the Foreign Office, but I'm going to be wearing a red t-shirt to show solidarity as well.
I can't freeze Burma's bank-accounts and assets, or block entry to ambassadors, but I can wear a t-shirt.
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« Reply #3 on: 13:19:18, 27-09-2007 »

Oh, I'll be wearing a red t-shirt too.  Wink  I have a premiere coming up next week, and we will leaflet the programmes asking people to lobby their MPs not to sell nuclear facilities to Rangoon.

The problem is China. Burma is a microcosm of China...  it's a majority-Buddhist country ruled by a non-elected military elite, who live in luxury at the expense of their people.  Whereas in China, it's errr...  exactly the same.  Only at least the Burmese aren't hypocrites, and don't pretend to be doing it on behalf of the workers, as the Chinese do.

China is a country in which control of the media rests entirely in Govt hands - few Chinese know much about what goes on in the world outside their own borders.  (Even well-educated Chinese have only the haziest idea about Europe and its countries, because few books are permitted about them, and those few are written by Chinese authors who haven't been there and write to-order for Govt-run publishing houses.  Many Chinese think Britain is a part of Germany, and that all of Europe has united into one large country - which is against China, of course.)

But even given this situation, it's clear to the authorities in Beijing that any softening towards monks demanding democratic reforms in Burma will quickly bring down identical problems upon their own heads.  No-one really knows how many people in China are sufficiently disatisfied with the Government to want to remove it - not even those who hope to try doing so.  (China has done quite a good bread-and-circuses job of buying-off its populace with crappy-but-cheap consumer goods and tv game-shows).   So the chances that China will relent on its open support for Burma are very low.  Although China says it will not intervene in what it deems "an internal matter" in Burma,  it sees no conflict of interest in simultaneously busting UN sanctions by cross-border trade with Burma.  Although this trade barely exists on paper, in reality it's colossal - it very much suits China to have a monopoly of trade with Burma, in which it can name the price at which it will buy oil, gas, timber, rubber, precious stones and metals, and other Burmese exports it buys for peanuts.  Burma is actually facing deforestation in some areas - because China's military is driving trucks into the area, cutting the forests down (China can't supply its own timber needs) and carting them off in exchange for cash payments to the Burmese Generals.  This trade isn't even documented and in theory doesn't exist. Independent monitors estimate that seven tonnes of timber are exported from Burma per hour - on one border-crossing alone (based on axle-weight).  Whole communities in Burma have been left homeless and penniless as a result. One main reason for the absence of documentation is that once the timber (mostly rare hardwoods) reaches China it's turned into products labelled "Made In China", which can be flooded onto world markets with none of the restrictions that apply to Burmese-made goods.

The route to putting pressure on Rangoon lies in confronting China.  Given the balance of trade deficit America has with China (so great that it would take the USA into economic recession or even bankruptcy, so great are the sums involved, and war-torn America has no funds with which to pay them), America dare not make the slightest serious criticism of China.  The rest of the New World Order has fallen in obediently behind Washington on this.
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« Reply #4 on: 13:55:08, 27-09-2007 »

Reiner - many thanks for such eminent good sense about a profoundly tragic and long-term problem.

Best,

Alistair
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« Reply #5 on: 20:27:31, 27-09-2007 »

Reiner - many thanks for such eminent good sense about a profoundly tragic and long-term problem.

Seconded. I don't know enough about the situation and attempt to make up for that with enthusiasm and passion, so it's always good to hear from someone who knows what they're talking about.

Updates (click for news story from the BBC):
Nine people confirmed dead, including a Japanese journalist
Thought for the Day: 'Love over fear'
Aung San Suu Kyi's part in the crisis
Western politicians urge China and India to influence Burma
The Junta blames foreign media for the crisis and attempts to take action to ensure that this cannot continue

I bought my red t-shirt this afternoon and will be wearing it tomorrow.

Loving kindness doesn't mean you never get angry, but understanding how anger springs up when you feel threatened loosens its grip - that brings strength... The monks are honouring the Buddha's words, teaching that loving kindness is also a call to action. Just as a mother would risk her life for her child, her only child, so let one cultivate boundless love towards all beings.
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« Reply #6 on: 22:10:51, 27-09-2007 »

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so it's always good to hear from someone who knows what they're talking about.

I don't really know so much about Burma (and haven't been there either), although work takes me to China quite a bit.  However, as I have a sideline job doing some updating and editing for Rough Guides (who refuse to do a Burma book on principle) the Burma question seems to arise now and again (since our colleagues at Lonely Planet feel differently about the matter and publish a Burma book, and this topic seems to run and run).  I ought to mention that although I support the Rough Guides policy on not encouraging tourism to Burma, I certainly didn't think it up or have any part in shaping it - I am a mere foot-soldier in these matters, which are decided by people in big suits at Penguin Books PLC (who own Rough Guides these days).
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« Reply #7 on: 23:29:00, 27-09-2007 »

However, as I have a sideline job doing some updating and editing for Rough Guides (who refuse to do a Burma book on principle) the Burma question seems to arise now and again (since our colleagues at Lonely Planet feel differently about the matter and publish a Burma book, and this topic seems to run and run).  I ought to mention that although I support the Rough Guides policy on not encouraging tourism to Burma, I certainly didn't think it up or have any part in shaping it - I am a mere foot-soldier in these matters, which are decided by people in big suits at Penguin Books PLC (who own Rough Guides these days).

I knew I read something about this today!

But look in a Lonely Planet guidebook to Asia and the country can be found listed after Mongolia, not Brunei. The Rough Guide does not cover Burma at all, because the pro-democracy movement has called for a tourism boycott.
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« Reply #8 on: 09:40:51, 28-09-2007 »

The Burmese security forces have sealed off five of the main monasteries in Rangoon in an attempt to stop the protests in a move that looks largely successful. Meanwhile, Burma's fellow members of Asean are expressing 'revulsion' and George Bush has branded the junta a 'brutal military regime... that has ruled Burma for too long.' (for more, click here)
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« Reply #9 on: 11:32:34, 28-09-2007 »

Did anyone see Simon Schama's suggestion on Question Time last night that the best way to put pressure on the Chinese might be to boycott the 2008 Olympics. Don't know if he came up with that, or if he got it from somewhere else, but it sounds like an excellent idea. Boycotting products or trade sanctions won't work - they'll hurt the Chinese worker as much as the regime, and boycotting Chinese products is nigh-on impossible. But boycotting their big Olympic coming out party - that would really hurt, I think.
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« Reply #10 on: 11:44:17, 28-09-2007 »

Did anyone see Simon Schama's suggestion on Question Time last night that the best way to put pressure on the Chinese might be to boycott the 2008 Olympics. Don't know if he came up with that, or if he got it from somewhere else, but it sounds like an excellent idea. Boycotting products or trade sanctions won't work - they'll hurt the Chinese worker as much as the regime, and boycotting Chinese products is nigh-on impossible. But boycotting their big Olympic coming out party - that would really hurt, I think.
Well, to be fair, those arguments about sanctions hurting the workers were used in opposition to South African sanctions (and are also used in opposition to Israeli sanctions), though the extent to which partial sanctions, boycotts, or at least the threat of such, did play a part in bringing the end of apartheid, is of course debatable. The 1980 Moscow Olympics were boycotted by the Americans as a response to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and the Soviet Union at that time was, I believe, a considerably less weighty economic power than contemporary China is. But it was not until about eight years (and three Communist Party General Secretaries) later that withdrawal from Afghanistan occurred. I'm not sure - would an Olympic boycott achieve anything other than a symbolic victory? China still has 'most favoured trading nation' status by the Americans, I think (or at least did so until relatively recently); at the very least, something other than wholehearted embrace of China as a trading partner might have some impact?
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« Reply #11 on: 11:59:59, 28-09-2007 »

The argument about the Moscow Olympics was brought up last night, but I think the significant difference is that so much of China's focus has been on 2008 as their prom night, a celebratation of the country's emergence as a global trading partner for the 21st century. I just think there's too much invested in the symbolism from the Chinese side for them to want to jeopardise that. I prefer it to any suggestion of sanctions mainly because it comes down to that single point, which most directly affects the regime. Everyone has too much financial investment, besides anything else, for trade sanctions to get much support I'd have thought.
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« Reply #12 on: 15:23:40, 28-09-2007 »

but I think the significant difference is that so much of China's focus has been on 2008 as their prom night, a celebratation of the country's emergence as a global trading partner for the 21st century.

Having been in China again in August, I'd entirely endorse that opinion.  The Chinese not only want to demonstrate to the world that they have rejoined the "club of successful nations",  but even more than that... it is vitally important for Beijing to illustrate this to its own people (even if the truth of it is open to question as far many of those people are concerned).  China has been promising its population "jam tomorrow" since Mao's time, and many in China are restive, and asking awkward questions.  They need a "you never had it so good" moment when the world congratulates them, and sport is the ideal platform for it,  since it's mainly unpoliticised.  It may be a truism, but even talk of an Olympic boycott would be fiercely wounding to Beijing's sense of "face", and it's a circumstance they will go to endless lengths to avoid.  If we consider that they've spent $33M merely on the exhibition about what the Games will be like (including a "simulator" in which you "fly" through 5000 years of Chinese history which has led up to this defining moment) we can get some idea of how hugely the Chinese have invested financially and emotionally in the Games.
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« Reply #13 on: 15:25:15, 28-09-2007 »

Thanks Reiner - my thoughts were formed entirely from a distance, but good to have them confirmed by someone 'on the ground' as it were.
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« Reply #14 on: 21:19:26, 29-09-2007 »

Even if boycotting the Olympics could have an effect, I feel it is extremely unfair on the athletes who have trained and trained in order to be at their peak at the time of the Olympics; not something those who imposed such a boycot would have done.
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