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« Reply #195 on: 13:37:49, 07-05-2008 »

And of course the economics strongly favour car users - the price of car use has, in real terms, steadily fallen and continues to fall

I'm no advocate for cars at all, but is this still actually true - especially considering recent rises in oil prices, petrol tax and congestion charge in London?

As a trend, yes, particularly since the costs of cars has fallen:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/statistics/datatablespublications/trends/current/section2ptbm.pdf

(See Trend 2.6)

On the other hand, households are paying more for transport as a proportion of household expenditure - because total car travel has increased.

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« Reply #196 on: 13:43:45, 07-05-2008 »

Thanks - it just seemed surprising to me, particularly given how much some people complain about it.
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« Reply #197 on: 13:58:26, 07-05-2008 »

I think people complain for the reasons Swan Knight gave. At one time there were three large empolyers in my local town and they were in the centre, so busses to work were a real option. Now the work is dipersed around peripheral industrial estates.
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« Reply #198 on: 14:04:34, 07-05-2008 »

I sometimes despair of this consumerist/financial merry-go-round we are on.

I live near the local primary and junior schools.  Each morning there is traffic chaos as the mums attempt to park their 4 x 4s.  We have an excellent local bus service, it runs on time, it's cheap (return is 1.25p adults, 40p children).

Your house may be worth x times your salary but it is of no benefit whatsoever (unless you downsize and release capital)

The supermarkets are strangling small businesses.  We have gone from 3 greengrocers, 5 butchers and 2 bakers to (respectively) 1, 2 and 1.  Every High Street now has the same shops.  Everything is homogenised, no individuality.

Parents have to resort to ever increasingly expensive child care in order to tread water financially, children are dropped off at 7am and not returning home until 7pm.  That can't be good.  

We have a Government who are completely out of touch with reality.
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« Reply #199 on: 14:33:13, 07-05-2008 »

Yes.

I look at it this way. In May 2006 I took up my present position at Brunel University. Since this was such an unexpected turn of events, I remained for a year living in Berlin and commuting. After a year of this time-consuming, stressful and wasteful flying back and forth my partner and I decided we should move ourselves and our daughter to London to see how that would work out. The way it has worked out is that our rent is approximately twice as high as it was in Berlin AND we've swapped a larger place in the centre of the city for a smaller one at the edge, and then there's everything else that's more expensive and all the other things that need to be paid which in Germany don't, such as community charge and when unavoidable congestion charge. Then there's the massive amount of time (and expense and stress) involved in getting from one part of the city to another. Then there's the fact that my daughter would be receiving a German/English bilingual education in Berlin almost as a matter of course, whereas doing such a thing in London would involve astronomically expensive private schooling. And my partner has very little remunerative work (as a singer) in the UK so has to travel back to Germany or elsewhere once or twice a month anyway. Some months we end up scraping through just as we did when we were both working exclusively freelance in Germany.

While I'm glad my family has had the opportunity to experience the much greater cultural diversity that you find in London, this seems to be clutching at straws given the alternative of moving back to Berlin and going back to the 2006/7 way of doing things, which, in the absence of some miracle, we will probably end up doing next year.

I'm not having a grumpy old rant or wallowing in self-pity. I recognise that I have choices available to me which many people don't. I'm just rather astonished at this situation, viz. the difference in cost between these two cities is basically more than a university professor's salary, without taking into account any of the quality-of-life aspects like being able to get around by bicycle or efficient and cheap public transport.

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And I'm sure, returning to the thread title, that Johnson's election is more likely to make this situation worse than better.
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« Reply #200 on: 14:56:54, 07-05-2008 »

Hello, everyone.

I just now, in a flash, understood the title of this thread.




As you were.
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« Reply #201 on: 15:09:22, 07-05-2008 »

So, Richard, why on earth did you choose to return to the UK, if the move did not make economic sense?

I can't believe that London is so much more culturally diverse than Berlin - and even if it is, is it really worth the extra expense/hassle you've had to put up with just for the dubious privilege of living in this soiled diaper of a country?

As you say, your daughter would be receiving a superior education in Germany....you'll have to fight (hard) for her to receive even a half-decent one in the UK.

Presumably, you speak fluent German, so language is not a bar to employment over there. 

I ask again: why come back?

If I spoke fluent German, I certainly wouldn't be languishing in crappy old G.B., I can tell you....
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« Reply #202 on: 15:24:02, 07-05-2008 »

Well, SK, economic sense isn't the only kind of sense, there was also my 7-8 hour commute and the thought that reducing the stress and time-expenditure of that might be worth paying for.

London is enormously more culturally diverse than Berlin, which in comparison has an overwhelmingly white European population.
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« Reply #203 on: 18:10:14, 07-05-2008 »

Here, S_K, from my bookshelf. I'm not using it.

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« Reply #204 on: 18:41:08, 07-05-2008 »

I can sympathise entirely with your situation, Richard.  Every time I make visits back to London (which is my home town) I realise that even if I wanted to,  I wouldn't be able to move back there.  Despite official reports which tell me that Moscow is one of the most expensive cities on earth,  I live in a large high-ceilinged apartment in the centre-periphery here (I'm on the Circle Line, which has the same social and economic connnotations as the Circle Line in London does).  I pay for it less now in actual £ terms than I was paying for a 1-bed basement flat at West Ealing (just down the road from Brunel, by coincidence) TEN YEARS ago before I relocated. (Of course, salaries are lower in Moscow too).  I had a car, but I sold it - one doesn't need a car in Moscow, and it's just a passport to sitting in gridlock for hours. Moscow might be a dysfunctional place in many ways, but I'd suggest it has the best public transport of any European capital. They don't understand bikes here, though - when I turn-up at GITIS or the Phil on two wheels, it produces something like the same effect as arriving somewhere in London on a penny-farthing... engagingly interesting in a somewhat risible way that shouldn't be encouraged.  (I was actually asked by GITIS if I please wouldn't arrive on it again, in fact).

The above is all rather foremost in my mind currently, as I'm about to take the final plunge and apply for Permanent Residency - a longwinded process that involves endless attendances at Govt bodies, and a clear month spent outside Russia so that I can return on a fresh Trial Period visa.
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« Reply #205 on: 16:13:23, 09-05-2008 »

There are days when one's decision to abandon London for the delights of the City by the Sea are vindicated especially forcefully.  Today could just turn out to be one.

I'd have voted for that nice Ms Berry - not that it would have done much good.

I did, of course, vote for that nice Ms. Berry - and it didn't do any good!!
Perhaps I will move back to Leeds.....
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« Reply #206 on: 16:17:03, 09-05-2008 »

I'm sorry Milly, if you don't agree with your local Council then vote them out or become a Councillor yourself.

If people can't be bothered to vote then that is a sad reflection on The Suffragrates who sufffered prison and death to get the vote for women, remember the Liberal Party Cat & Mouse Act?

Oh dear, no doubt I will now be thought of as a Feminist wearing Doc Martins and baggy jumpers   ............

Oh, The Shame!  The Horror!

Proud to be a Socialist Green Feminist, me!!
Mind you, tends not to go down too well with some of my opera-loving mates -
Just as the opera tends not to go down too well with the comrades!! Cheesy
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« Reply #207 on: 16:19:16, 09-05-2008 »

London had a full list of groups and candidates to vote for from Left List and the Greens to Neo Nazis as well as the three main parties. I;d have thought most could find someone to vote FOR. It's in the general election that I find it hard to be positive and can sympathise with people spoiling ballots.

You know, I think the result is the worst thing that's happened to London since the Blitz.
NOT ONLY did Boris win, but the [edit: silly party] got a seat on the Assembly.
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« Reply #208 on: 16:26:19, 09-05-2008 »

Is it legal to overfly Fallujah in helicopters, firebombing the houses so that the civilian population runs out into the streets - and then machine-gunning them when they do?   Then describing the action as a "regrettable necessity".

Is waterboarding legal?  Are CIA secret torture-flights legal? 

We've killed 500,000 people - and we're worrying about a dog-turd?

Oh puhleaze.

The other day I heard a programme on Radio 4 about Fallujah. Apparently it was a revenge attack for the deaths of 4 American servicemen - and the American commander (Marines?) who was actually THERE said that there was plenty of video footage of the killings, and if he was allowed 6-8 weeks, he could arrest the ringleaders, but he wasn't allowed this - i.e. he received orders from higher up the chain of command (from someone who wasn't acutally IN Fallujah) that the reprisal had to be swift and bloody.
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« Reply #209 on: 16:32:30, 09-05-2008 »

I don't know how comfortable our lifestyles are. I am far from advocating a back to nature route and am appalled when some varieties of  Greens appear to be saying "It was ok when only the rich could afford to fly, drive  etc."

PLEASE do not include Green Left or the Ecosocialist International Network in your strictures!!
Although it must be admitted that within the ranks of the Green Movement there are people who shy away from identifying with Socialism.
I believe, however, in the idea that YOU HAVE TO BE RED TO BE GREEN AND YOU HAVE TO BE GREEN TO BE RED. uh, it's complicated, and we keep having conferences about it....to which we DON'T fly, if we can avoid it!!


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but the current situation seems to need many people having two jobs while still being £1000s in debt, my grandparents used to worry if they owed £20! If they had paid the rent and looked forward to a reasonable pension they were happy.

I've only read Brave New World Bryn, as far as I remember, anyone recommend anything else?
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