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Milly Jones
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« Reply #75 on: 19:17:52, 04-05-2008 »

If anyone would like some dog poo I can supply from my garden on a daily basis.  Grin
 
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« Reply #76 on: 19:22:46, 04-05-2008 »

Can you arrange daily deliveries to an MP's surgery address in West London, Milly?  The smellier the better Smiley
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« Reply #77 on: 19:25:40, 04-05-2008 »

Good thing none of us here ever get into any arguments with you, Reiner.  Wink

Well, going back to a conversation you and I had about what we could have done to prevent the politicians going to war, Richard, I have to say that the gloves are now off.  Or rather, they were off once I'd dealt with the dogturd, anyhow Wink
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« Reply #78 on: 19:28:03, 04-05-2008 »

Can you arrange daily deliveries to an MP's surgery address in West London, Milly?  The smellier the better Smiley

Recorded delivery so he has to sign for it?  Grin


Oooh! We are awful!!!  Shocked
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« Reply #79 on: 19:33:40, 04-05-2008 »

Where did I hear about that great prank involving sewing prawns into the lining of your victim's living room curtains? The stench quickly becomes unbearable, but not easily traced. The beauty is that, once your victim has thrown in the towel and decided to move house, the curtains go with them.  Shocked
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« Reply #80 on: 19:34:23, 04-05-2008 »

 Grin
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« Reply #81 on: 19:34:58, 04-05-2008 »

I suspect it's all very shallow thinking. David Cameron is younger and more smiley than Gordon, Boris has been on Have I Got News for You and makes jokes. I'm sure that's how many people decide.

I have to disagree with you there Mary.  This revolt amongst the voters wasn't about some bloke being funny on the telly or David Cameron being reasonably attractive.

This was an electorate thoroughly dissillusioned regarding the War we were dragged into by TB, the successor to TB who was not elected by anyone, the removal of the 10p tax band making the poor even poorer at the expense of the rich, the total disregard for the working class of the country by a party which, traditionally, should support and care for them.  It's Champagne Socialism, oh, and TB (OK not now in office) spending £4m on his sixth property when first time buyers can't even get on the property ladder, the rapid inflation of food prices (OK, this is global) but when low earners have to pay more tax this really hits hard.  Add the Pension crisis, the rising Council Tax, the pay to have your rubbish collected and other stealth taxes.

No, the Labour party are out of touch.  They have no conception whatsover of the lives of the people it governs.

In Wales it's not so much a swing to the Tories but a swing to the Independents and the Lib Dems, which for the Valleys to reject Labour is quite amazing.

I agree with Don B that the party that dare not speak its name on here winning a seat sends a shudder down my spine.

P.S.  I apologise from diverting from my normal dippy blonde foodie Nigel Slater groupie persona in a black sack dress and 9" heels but this Government has really got me angry.

I agree with you Anty for the most part - but it is worth remembering that the word used on numerous occasions by Boris Johnson to describe black children was exactly the one used by Enoch Powell in his "rivers of blood" speech, and one which the the unnamed party - whose leaders are despicable but not fools - would never use in public.  The contention that Boris Johnson is not a fit person to be mayor of London should not be interpreted as support for New Labour.

I agree totally about New Labour.  The 10p tax debacle is the last straw, especially since it affects those who are at the heart of Labour's traditional supporter base (Labour apparently telling its traditional supporters to go to hell in order to cut taxes in the suburbs) - but the real killer is the way in which house prices have been allowed to escalate, and now the inevitable bursting of the bubble.  A society in which house prices increase to the point where those on twice the average income is needed to buy one is not, despite what Brown and Blair appear to think, a prosperous one.  Neither is a society founded on consumer debt.  One of the greatest con-tricks perpetrated by politicians and the media is to give the illusion of prosperity while the opposite is the reality - a society in which people get into debt to buy the latest toys, and which public services are increasingly run by private spivs who drive down costs and quality; a process of which Brown has managed with enthusiasm.  Labour have at last been found out.

or are you all so Middle England with comfortable salaries/pensions that you really don't care about those who are poorer than you? 

A lot of us are very middle England here, including me.  I for one loathe New Labour, and am disgusted at all the mainstream political parties (I am fortunate to live in one of only three parliamentary constituencies in Britain where voting for the martle-coloured party I support has a real chance of electing an MP, so at least I have some hope of helping to lob the odd rock into the pool of free-market consensus come polling day).  I also spend a lot of my time in mainland Europe, and see how the Social Democratic consensus in may of those countries has produced societies that appear to be more stable, more contented, less divided and with vastly better public services than Britain, which is - nominally at least, a richer country.  But even there the media are selling New Labour Britain as a model of prosperity

Oh, and, finally, the bendy buses are going nowhere.  Johnson can't afford to do otherwise.  He wants to reduce the congestion charge takings, cut taxes and won't want to put fares up.  In those circumstances, junking tens of millions of pounds worth of perfectly serviceable buses in pursuit of the pipe dream of a new Routemaster is not on the agenda, and never was.  Making the bendy buses into an election issue was a breathtaking piece of cynicsm. 
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« Reply #82 on: 19:53:58, 04-05-2008 »

Yes, bendy buses are loathsome, but when one turns up, and if you get a seat, the seat is considerably more comfortable than the over-rated Routemaster.  The bendy buses have bucket seats.  The Routemaster had bench seats wide enough for three average size buttocks.  As a result, if you were sitting on the aisle seat with a neighbour even slightly broader in the beam than average, half your bottom would be hanging over the edge.


Yes, I agree the Routemaster's narrow bench seats were terrible.  (Granted, they were designed at a time when people were smaller than they are now.)  And trying to ride one while toting a violin and a suitcase was a nightmare.  But the more modern double-deckers don't have that problem - those have bucket seats, adequate room in front of your knees, and a lovely view of London stretches out before you as you glide gently towards your destination.  The view in a bendy bus is usually of a fellow passenger/sufferer's armpit.  Or of the black stretch of horizontal window frame placed exactly at eye level when seated.  Or of the dull grey accordion pleats at the joint specially designed to crush cyclists/unwary pedestrians/street signs/etc.

Buses certainly are more frequent than they were before Ken, particularly the nightbuses.  If he had been allowed to do something about the tube I'm convinced he would have.  If he had never introduced the bendy bus, and had come up with a new, disability-friendly double-decker instead, I'd be willing to bet he'd be back in office now.  Much as everyone's longing to give New Labour a bloody nose (or a dog turd in a plastic bag), Ken's always been seen as something of an outsider.  He knows this city and cares for it like none of the other (ex-)candidates.

Here's hoping that the limits the government put on the mayor's power when creating the post (in anticipation of Ken actually attempting some old-fashioned socialist reform) will prevent Boris from completely messing up the city.  Either that or someone will find out how to unseat or impeach him.  As pw points out above, he won't even be able to deliver on the only issue he dared broach during his campaign, and that probably won him the seat.  God knows what he'll actually try to do.
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« Reply #83 on: 21:09:04, 04-05-2008 »

Referring to Gordon Browns 10p tax debacle - if this policy was used by the conservatives nobody would be at all surprised - but that it came from a party supposedly helping the lower paid i think caused all this fury!! Im a little confused though - does this supposedly u turn of his means the 10p tax stays or that it goes and he tries and thinks up alternative ways to get his votes back again!!
As for Boris - hes the only conservative imo whos not a cardboard cutout but whether he will make a better mayor than Ken is anybodys guess !!
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« Reply #84 on: 21:25:10, 04-05-2008 »

Referring to Gordon Browns 10p tax debacle - if this policy was used by the conservatives nobody would be at all surprised - but that it came from a party supposedly helping the lower paid i think caused all this fury!! Im a little confused though - does this supposedly u turn of his means the 10p tax stays or that it goes and he tries and thinks up alternative ways to get his votes back again!!
As for Boris - hes the only conservative imo whos not a cardboard cutout but whether he will make a better mayor than Ken is anybodys guess !!

As it happens, Nigel Lawson did something very similar with the reductions in the number of tax bands.  But then that was what we expected from the Tories.

The 10p tax band won't be back, this year at least.  It would mean rewriting the Finance Bill currently before Parliament, and no Government is ever going to do that.  What it appears is being discussed is a compensatory package later in the year - but even then, if the Observer is to be believed, the package will involve deferring increases in middle-class taxes like fuel duty rather than doing anything for the lower-paid hit by the abolition of the 10p tax band.
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« Reply #85 on: 21:26:05, 04-05-2008 »

I think it stays( the abolition that is!) but there will be more tax credits. People tend not to like getting money taken away and then given back as if it were a favour. Terrible idea! I think labour crossed a line in the sand with this one. Their absolute bedrock support are the socially consevative but pro redistributive working class ("wasters" tend not to vote in my experience.) A shame Livingstone got some of the blowback from this. His support of Blair the copper was the main blot on his mayorship, apart from that he far better than Boris IMO.
Odd to think that at one time labour used to be consdiered left by many of the European Social Democrats and  the German SPD was much admired by Roy Jenkins and Shirley Willliams as a sensible alternative to "lefty" labour, though they would now both stand left of Brown/Blair surely. It was David Owen who was a prescursor of New Labour I reckon.
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« Reply #86 on: 21:35:39, 04-05-2008 »

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« Reply #87 on: 21:43:37, 04-05-2008 »

Scuse me.

You earn £13,000 and get no tax credits, but if you earn £10,000 you get £1056 tax credit.

So what incentive is there to work?
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« Reply #88 on: 21:50:36, 04-05-2008 »

That's one of the problems with means testing, which is what this amounts too. Terrible idea as I said.
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« Reply #89 on: 22:01:15, 04-05-2008 »

The official poverty line in the UK  is earning below £16,400

So why does someone on £13,000 not qualify for tax credits?

Because the Government are so out of touch with ordinary folk.

Champagne Socialists the lot of them
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