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The official poverty line in the UK is earning below £16,400
So why does someone on £13,000 not qualify for tax credits?
Because the Government are so out of touch with ordinary folk.
Champagne Socialists the lot of them
They aren't socialsts at all. Agree with the rest --- And what does the minimum hourly wage X 40 equal? about £220 a week, something like that. There a lot who only earn this, even in a rich part of the country - a lot of jobs in Dorset pay £6 an hour, not just jobs for "kids" either. |
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« Reply #91 on: 22:40:00, 04-05-2008 » |
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Changing the subject parenthetically, here the new mayor of London expatiates (back in 2006) on the subject of English twentieth-century classical music and how it "overtook" the German variety. |
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« Reply #92 on: 22:46:30, 04-05-2008 » |
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Minimum wage is £5.25 an hour I think. Round by here, as a cleaner, you get £7.50 an hour. I am thinking of applying and giving up the day job. Well, why not? Cos I am the Quentin Crisp of the MBs of course! I think I last vacuumed about 2 years ago and did a little light dusting sometime, Oh. long time ago, so long ago it fades into I can't remember  |
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Reality, sa molesworth 2, is so sordid it makes me shudder
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Anna You could get that (prob more) for cleaning around here but not full time. Richard This bit sums him up I think. "What would you rather take from the 20th century: the Beatles and the Rolling Stones, or Nina Hagen's 99 Red Balloons? Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Schmitz."  |
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« Reply #94 on: 23:10:08, 04-05-2008 » |
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Changing the subject parenthetically, here the new mayor of London expatiates (back in 2006) on the subject of English twentieth-century classical music and how it "overtook" the German variety. Jesus. (To invoke a Mexican composer, probably.) |
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Changing the subject parenthetically, here the new mayor of London expatiates (back in 2006) on the subject of English twentieth-century classical music and how it "overtook" the German variety. Sounds like Boris Johnson and Alex Ross would make a fine couple! in 1964 the critic Colin Wilson said that "much English music has the insipid flavour of a BBC variety orchestra playing an arrangement of a nursery rhyme". He knew a thing or two, that Colin Wilson - certainly that seems more than appropriate at the time he wrote it (I can't imagine he would have had much opportunity to hear the early works of Birtwistle, Maxwell Davies or Cardew, nor those of Elizabeth Lutyens (who would have agreed with him in essence, anyhow)). English music has been the subject of reflexive embarrassment, like Morris dancing. We associate it instinctively with corduroy-jacketed professors in sandals, their spectacles fixed with Sellotape, descanting madrigals before Sunday lunch. Not without reason - a trip round a Cambridge music department, breeding the future arbitrators of English music, might demonstrate why this stereotype is not wholly inaccurate. |
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'These acts of keeping politics out of music, however, do not prevent musicology from being a political act . . .they assure that every apolitical act assumes a greater political immediacy' - Philip Bohlman, 'Musicology as a Political Act'
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« Reply #96 on: 23:22:18, 04-05-2008 » |
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Anna You could get that (prob more) for cleaning around here but not full time. Richard This bit sums him up I think. "What would you rather take from the 20th century: the Beatles and the Rolling Stones, or Nina Hagen's 99 Red Balloons? Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Schmitz." Funnily enough richard, when I sing 99 Red Balloons to the Salty Sailors at Bristol Docks, I seem to come away with with a lot more than £7.50 an hour and their salty tears |
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This bit sums him up I think. "What would you rather take from the 20th century: the Beatles and the Rolling Stones, or Nina Hagen's 99 Red Balloons? Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Schmitz." Not least because of its ignorance - 99 Luftballons was sung by Nena, née Gabriele Susanne Kerner, an entirely different woman to the East German-born punk singer Nina Hagen. Does Boris Johnson know of bands such as Deutsche-Americanische Freundschaft, Einstürzende Neubauten, or even Kraftwerk (or Faust, Harmonia, Tangerine Dream or countless others)? And the crucial role played by German bands in the development of disco music? |
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'These acts of keeping politics out of music, however, do not prevent musicology from being a political act . . .they assure that every apolitical act assumes a greater political immediacy' - Philip Bohlman, 'Musicology as a Political Act'
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Changing the subject parenthetically, here the new mayor of London expatiates (back in 2006) on the subject of English twentieth-century classical music and how it "overtook" the German variety. Er ... Parry, that worshipper and imitator of Brahms, leading English music away from German influences? (At least he didn't try and claim Handel for England ....) |
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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Oh Boris, in your music article you actually admit that you don't know what you're talikng about
>>Now I must be frank with you. I am just the president of this English Music Festival, the first and quite possibly the last of its kind. I cannot vouch for the genius of all the pieces you may hear. <<
I remember when that festival was on, not well-attended if I recall.
and Boris got even more confused by the end, even forgets which genre of music he's 'discussing' by mentioning the Stones etc., and again shows ignorance by wrongly crediting Nina Hagen, it wasn't Miss Hagen but a Nena who was born as Gabriele Kerner.
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« Reply #100 on: 23:35:11, 04-05-2008 » |
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This bit sums him up I think. "What would you rather take from the 20th century: the Beatles and the Rolling Stones, or Nina Hagen's 99 Red Balloons? Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Schmitz." Not least because of its ignorance - 99 Luftballons was sung by Nena, née Gabriele Susanne Kerner, an entirely different woman to the East German-born punk singer Nina Hagen. Does Boris Johnson know of bands such as Deutsche-Americanische Freundschaft, Einstürzende Neubauten, or even Kraftwerk (or Faust, Harmonia, Tangerine Dream or countless others)? And the crucial role played by German bands in the development of disco music? No Ian, he probably don't no more than I. But I am not a smartarse. |
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« Reply #101 on: 23:37:44, 04-05-2008 » |
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I would pay good money to see Nina Hagen perform 99 Luftballons but I fear it isn't going to happen, even if it might have done on Planet Johnson.
Anyway, I'm sure that all London-based English composers (apart of course from the Liverpudlian Steve Martland) will be breathing a sigh of relief that they now have a mayor who will promote and support their work to the exclusion of those beastly Germans.
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« Reply #102 on: 23:48:42, 04-05-2008 » |
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Boris might also like to hear about where the Beatles had their first major success....
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Boris might also like to hear about where the Beatles had their first major success....
I'm not sure whether you are thinking of the Fab Four's time in Germany, or perhaps Bozza's musings on Liverpool itself, Ian? http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2004/oct/19/conservatives.uk |
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