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Author Topic: McCain is the next President  (Read 2331 times)
Morticia
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« Reply #105 on: 07:07:50, 05-11-2008 »

No more 'Moose' Palin either!  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #106 on: 07:10:39, 05-11-2008 »

I didn't believe McCain had it, until I caught the running-mate announcement last Friday. That has to be one of the most inspired political moves ever. As soon as I heard it, I knew he had won. When I looked into Palin's background a little firther, I knew he had won by a landslide. It's hardly worth holding a vote.



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Indeed, IRF, those were my thoughts, too.

I can't claim I'm thrilled about the prospect of another Repubican Chief Executive...but I am looking forward to all the hand-wringing and caterwauling come November when the 'bien pensant' Grauniad readers treat it as yet another backward step for mankind.

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the election is rigged, remember al gore, mccain has won, it has been decided

most americans are republican, if you see a political map it has democrats on the coast but the majority,in the middle, are church going,right wing,gun owning republicans



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I've just been watching McCain's speech on TV at the gym: he's got a masterly strategy in place...

 Grin Grin Grin


I particularly like how the idiot 'politicians are all the same' crew have got it in the neck. I've heard it from both right and left. No they're not the same. As a direct result of this election the troops will be out of Iraq in sixteen months, US women will be safe from backstreet abortionists, there's the real possibility of a US national health service, the 'end of days' lunatic religious right has been given a bloody nose, and a half Kenyan will be in charge in the White House. That’s not ‘the same’ as McCain and Palin having won.
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« Reply #107 on: 07:29:38, 05-11-2008 »

Thanks Phil, that says it nicely.

I am sufficiently cynical not to think this is the start of Utopia, but I am very glad.

Of course Obama is not just half Kenyan, but half American...

Indeed it is far more appropriate to call him African American than many.  I noticed no one used the term about him.
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« Reply #108 on: 08:28:20, 05-11-2008 »

Great scenes on BBC News 24:

# Jesse Jackson in the vast crowd at Chicago listening to Obama's victory speech -- with tears streaming down his face

# An NBC anchor announcing Obama's victory -- to audible whoops of joy from the technicians

# The BBC Kenya correspondent speaking in front of a mural of Obama and the Queen in a blue hat...

You realise the Dems have taken both Houses too? The Republicans have been hit with a triple whammy -- George W Bush's final gift to America.

Cheesy
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« Reply #109 on: 08:50:14, 05-11-2008 »


I am sufficiently cynical not to think this is the start of Utopia


My thoughts exactly, DB. I'm reminded in a way of the euphoria, in my circles, when Blair was elected. Let's hope this victory is more justified in the long run.
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« Reply #110 on: 09:18:43, 05-11-2008 »


I am sufficiently cynical not to think this is the start of Utopia


 I'm reminded in a way of the euphoria, in my circles, when Blair was elected.

I had the same thought, Mary. It feels very similar. When I popped out earlier, people buying newspapers were smiling at the front page.
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« Reply #111 on: 09:28:41, 05-11-2008 »

Philidor,

All your posts passim:

Thanks!  Cheesy Cheesy
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« Reply #112 on: 10:06:05, 05-11-2008 »


I am sufficiently cynical not to think this is the start of Utopia


My thoughts exactly, DB. I'm reminded in a way of the euphoria, in my circles, when Blair was elected. Let's hope this victory is more justified in the long run.

Blair is a pretty good comparison, Mary; I remember feeling very much the party pooper in '97 when I had to be honest with my euphoric friends - who really thought that kicking out the Tories meant the start of good times for ordinary people - and suggest that little would change.  I'm not sorry to see the last of Dubya but I'm pretty sure Obama will prove what I already know - that a non-white Democrat can run the system on behalf of the rich and privileged (ie screw the workers) just as well as a white Republican.  Maybe if we say 'watch this space' loud enough people will in fact be vigilant enough to realise that this lot really haven't got the interests of the ordinary person at heart - or even if, in their hearts, they'd like to serve the masses they'll end up serving the bosses just like every other adminstration.  But I wasn't encouraged by the vox pops I heard on the BBC coverage which, both before and after the result was known, seemed to concentrate on the historic racial aspect of Obama's election.  Of course, the election of the first non-white president is historic but the true significance of that has to be left for history to decide. 
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« Reply #113 on: 10:10:29, 05-11-2008 »

Martle,

You're welcome.  Cheesy Cheesy  Across the internet a deep gloom has descended on rednecks, fundies, anti-abortionists, racists, wreckers of the environment, war-mongers, frat boys, survivalists, and free marketeers -- many of whom are now nationalised state employees on welfare. It's a precious moment to be savoured.

Returning to the amusing predictions on this thread, to be fair it was reasonable to predict a McCain victory before the banking crisis. He was ahead in the polls, Palin was playing well with dirty-minded male America, and the Republican base loved her. But seeing capitalism go down the tube changed everything, and it did so at precisely the right moment (and saved Brown's bacon too). Only the stupidest redneck or Daily Mail reader cares if Obama's black, or Brown gasps like a gaffed cod, if they can save their home, job, pension and keep legal tender flowing from ATMs -- at one point cash points across the West almost ground to a halt. So Obama's blessed with that other priceless political asset -- good fortune.

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« Reply #114 on: 10:16:48, 05-11-2008 »

lots of factors have come into play, the world is rather chaotic, things just kinda happen really

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« Reply #115 on: 10:28:34, 05-11-2008 »

I wouldn't like to give the impression I'm not pleased Obama won. I'm very pleased. It's just that I remember being pleased in 1997.
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« Reply #116 on: 10:32:22, 05-11-2008 »

I too remember being very pleased in 1997. I also remember being very pleased in Australia in 1983 and on the whole that also ended badly. For that matter I was pleased for Australia last year and still am but alas for my particular sector of the community Rudd has been an utter disaster so far.

The thing is, I can't remember being quite this pleased. And I would have thought the baked-on layer of cynicism to be pretty thick by now.
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« Reply #117 on: 10:40:38, 05-11-2008 »

Obama's main job now is to prevent himself from getting shot between now and January.
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« Reply #118 on: 10:47:51, 05-11-2008 »

I wouldn't like to give the impression I'm not pleased Obama won. I'm very pleased. It's just that I remember being pleased in 1997.

But much of the pleasure in 1997 - and now - is partly down to the sense of relief at what we've got rid of - sleazy Tories, Portillo losing his seat in 1997; Cheney, Bush and the appalling Sarah Palin now.  Yes, it's not going to be Utopia, and I largely agree with HtoHe about the need for vigilance - but seeing the Tories or the Republicans comprehensively stuffed at the ballot box is IMO one of life's rare pleasures and should be savoured.

Of course, nothing last night quite matched up to that roll off sofa in fits of gleeful hysterical laughter moment from 1997 when there flashed across the screen:

Lab gain Hove

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« Reply #119 on: 11:09:37, 05-11-2008 »

Lab gain Hove

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Oh, the sheer, unadulterated joy of that moment!  Cheesy Smiley
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