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Author Topic: McCain is the next President  (Read 2331 times)
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« Reply #75 on: 14:06:39, 04-09-2008 »

Funnily enough (is it funny enough?) I met McCain's mother, Roberta, quite by chance a couple of years ago in Vienna. She was travelling on the same train to Vienna and kept popping in to my compartment (adjacent to hers) to check whether we were there yet.

Then I bumped into her again the following day, near my cruddy hotel and outside her modest hotel on Praterstrasse, near Nestroyplatz U-Bahn. A redoubtable but charming little lady, already well into her nineties, but she marched along the pavement in what looked like slippers over the remnants of a recent heavy snow fall while I stepped gingerly trying to avoid the ice patches. It transpired that she was in Vienna to see the sights and go to the opera (Cosě and Don Giovanni). When I said I was going to the opera too, she asked how I got my tickets: she'd had to get the embassy to book hers! I thought that maybe this was par for the course for American tourists, until she mentioned her surname. At that point I'm afraid the 2000 Republican primaries were a rather hazy memory, and my first thought was of the oven-ready chips empire ...

I bumped into her again on the third day (how biblical ...) and part of me wishes I'd kept in touch, if only to say -- in the event of a McCain win -- "I know his mum."  But that'd be the only up-side to a Republican victory this November.

And I don't feel too bad at not knowing who her son was: she'd never heard of Janáček ...
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« Reply #76 on: 14:14:55, 04-09-2008 »

And I don't feel too bad at not knowing who her son was: she'd never heard of Janáček ...


"He too had a mother".

(The Old Convict, in HotD, immediately after the death of "Luka Kuzmich")
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« Reply #77 on: 14:42:06, 04-09-2008 »


nobody is going to use nukes, people have read up on 'nuclear winter',they know they are weapons that can not be used on mass and anyway,what is the different between bombing with conventional weapons and nukes ?

the americans dropped napalm on vietnamese villages

The Americans dropped anti-personnel ordnance - which they had declared to the UN they didn't even possess - on civilian targets in Serbia.  That wasn't done by Republicans - that was Slick Willy's handiwork. 

So don't imagine that it makes a difference whether there are Republicans or Democrats in the White House - America is capable of attacking Europe with banned weapons in a heartbeat,  with the express intention of causing massive loss of civilian life.   Don't imagine it will be either rational, or justifiable, or based on reason.  It is based on a potent mixture of ignorance, hatred and stupidity.
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« Reply #78 on: 14:47:47, 04-09-2008 »

georgia is given nato membership 20 minutes after mccain is sworn in and we all know it
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« Reply #79 on: 15:01:13, 04-09-2008 »

georgia is given nato membership 20 minutes after mccain is sworn in and we all know it

Considering Saakashvili made McCain a Chevalier of the Order Of The Cross Of St George (the other two American holders are Cheney and Bush) I would guess that you are along the right lines there, Jas.   Although maybe it might take 30 minutes - McCain is a slow reader.
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« Reply #80 on: 23:51:04, 04-09-2008 »

To clarify my own position on this - although I think a Republican victory in November is inevitable, the prospect doesn't please me. 

I don't understand the US Republican Party: the stance taken by the majority of its members on issues such as abortion and sexual orientation is deeply repugnant to me.  There is no way I could vote for such a party; and I would struggle to maintain friendly relations with anyone who voted for it.

Yet it seems to command a mystical form of allegiance in America: the idea of masses of ordinary people going out to vote for this rag-tag assemblage of far right evangelists, gay-baiters and 'pro-life' zealots just seems wrong - almost as if its the product of mass brainwashing.

Needless to add, I think America and the world would be a better place if the Republican Party withered and died and was replaced by an enlightened, objective, right-of-centre group. 

Intelligent American right-wingers have always voted for the Democrats, anyway.
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« Reply #81 on: 10:15:17, 05-09-2008 »

I'm very pleased to hear that, sk, to start with you sounded unduly gleeful at the prospect of a Republican victory.  Glad to hear your views.
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« Reply #82 on: 14:25:47, 05-09-2008 »

I'm very pleased to hear that, sk, to start with you sounded unduly gleeful at the prospect of a Republican victory.  Glad to hear your views.

I've just re-read my initial posting in the light of your comment, Don B.  I think a few people missed my ironical tone of voice. 

What I was trying to say was that NOW is the time to reconcile yourself to a McCain victory, rather than entertaining hope that there might be a different result. A lot of people were seriously upset by the events of November 2004, as the size of the Bush victory came as an unpleasant shock.

I've just been watching McCain's speech on TV at the gym: he's got a masterly strategy in place - distancing himself from his party and stealing the Democrats' clothes by portraying himself as the candidate of 'change'.  It might be difficult to pull off, but I wouldn't say its beyond him - and his choice of V-P has got everyone talking (judging by some of the comments on youtube, where I watched her speeches, a lot of men would like to do things to her that can't be mentioned on a forum like this). 

The McCain campaign seems to have momentum behind it - which is more than can be said for the Democrats (so far) feeble effort.
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« Reply #83 on: 14:40:22, 05-09-2008 »

I wouldn't be at all surprised if McCain wins (or "wins") the election, as I said. Nor, for reasons I've touched on earlier, do I think it's going to make a lot of difference to most people in the world who wins - the oil, "defence" and Israel lobbies will dictate policy to the same extent whoever wins.
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« Reply #84 on: 14:41:08, 05-09-2008 »

I am not so sure McCain has done so much "right" - it's simply been his good fortune that the American public currently seems more inclined towards war-war than jaw-jaw,  and is ready and willing to accept the continuous drip-drip of military fatalities provided that not too many are killed in one incident.   The "completion of the mission" (whatever that really means) has become a sacred duty, and the fact that no-one knows what the mission is, or when it will be completed, is no deterrent.  Nor, indeed, does it matter who the enemy is - any foreigners fit the bill.  And even some Californians.

As I mentioned above about Clinton, it doesn't matter whether the party of power is Democrat or Republican - policy will go unchanged.  Obama has u-turned entirely on withdrawal from Iraq, for example.

What concerns me more is the way in which Britain blindly accepts all American policy as benign and correct - and unswervingly supports it, no matter what is done.
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« Reply #85 on: 14:48:54, 05-09-2008 »

I am not so sure McCain has done so much "right" - it's simply been his good fortune that the American public currently seems more inclined towards war-war than jaw-jaw,  and is ready and willing to accept the continuous drip-drip of military fatalities provided that not too many are killed in one incident.   The "completion of the mission" (whatever that really means) has become a sacred duty, and the fact that no-one knows what the mission is, or when it will be completed, is no deterrent.  Nor, indeed, does it matter who the enemy is - any foreigners fit the bill.  And even some Californians.

As I mentioned above about Clinton, it doesn't matter whether the party of power is Democrat or Republican - policy will go unchanged.  Obama has u-turned entirely on withdrawal from Iraq, for example.

What concerns me more is the way in which Britain blindly accepts all American policy as benign and correct - and unswervingly supports it, no matter what is done.

Howard Brenton (not someone I'm inclined to quote with approval) once likened the relationship of Britain to America to that of the rape victim whose tormentor tells her not to scream or protest, 'or it will only get worse.'
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« Reply #86 on: 17:02:00, 11-09-2008 »

Here's the "next president":

YouTube - McCain's YouTube Problem Just Became a Nightmare
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« Reply #87 on: 17:08:47, 11-09-2008 »


No surprises there. But there's something hopefully democratic about the fact that if a politician makes hypocritical and contradictory statements there'll be someone out there posting them on youtube. I wonder if it will make any difference though. Bush Jr has been lying approximately as often as he opens his mouth for the past eight years, and since Nixon the Republicans seem to have gained a tighter hold on the system so that there's no way of holding him accountable.
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« Reply #88 on: 14:33:10, 16-09-2008 »

This is all terribly depressing.

But I just received in this morning's post my absentee ballot.  If McCain wins or steals the election from Obama, it will be despite my efforts.

It's all very well to describe the two sides as Tweedledum and Tweedledee.  Seeing US actions from an international point of view I can well understand how that may seem true.  But don't underestimate how a nation's internal politics may eventually influence its international actions.  The gap between rich and poor is wider than ever in the US.  Even the comfortable middle-income band is beginning to feel the pinch too these days.  Inequality of one sort or another is rife.  Whatever safety nets there once were have been ruthlessly cut away.  There is no way Republican policy will reverse that.  The Democrats might.  And when a nation is healthier within itself, it may have the confidence to reappraise how it sees the rest of the world.

Maybe.
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« Reply #89 on: 14:38:32, 16-09-2008 »

Thanks, strina. It's heartening to have the perspective of an insider who still thinks it's possible to make a difference.
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