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Author Topic: Obesity and Geography  (Read 675 times)
Antheil
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« Reply #15 on: 16:38:22, 03-09-2008 »

I have to say, obesity is the pits, who can fancy a wobbly 20 stone person, but curvaceous in a woman or some bulk in a male is attractive.

The Tabloids are all about so and so and her weight problem.

If you have a few extra pounds, embrace them, surely it is the inner self that shines?

I am one lucky person, I eat like a horse and never put on weight!
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« Reply #16 on: 16:46:07, 03-09-2008 »

That used to be me too Anty.  But us dwarves and pygmies have to watch it when we get older because half a stone looks like 3 stones on us.  Cry

(And I luvs me choccies too.  Sad)
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« Reply #17 on: 16:53:31, 03-09-2008 »

That used to be me too Anty.  But us dwarves and pygmies have to watch it when we get older because half a stone looks like 3 stones on us.  Cry

(And I luvs me choccies too.  Sad)

Mills, I thought you were implying at 5'6" i was a pygmie, imagine me in heels and I am 5'11" and taller than most men.

It is a power thingy.  Love it!!
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« Reply #18 on: 18:22:07, 03-09-2008 »

Nooooo!  I didn't mean you!  I meant the rest of us, the Lilliputians!  Wink
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« Reply #19 on: 18:51:24, 03-09-2008 »

I am one lucky person, I eat like a horse and never put on weight!

The oats must get a little monotonous sometimes, though?  Wink
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« Reply #20 on: 22:40:07, 03-09-2008 »

I am one lucky person, I eat like a horse and never put on weight!

Me too, although I wonder if I am lucky given my food bills.

Anyway, I guess when you were a kid your mum and dad used to say 'Have you got Hollow Legs?' or 'Have you got worms?' too?

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« Reply #21 on: 22:46:28, 03-09-2008 »

...and you wouldn't believe the number of people who used to think that I wasn't eating properly.
I realised just the other day that it must be why the dinner ladies used to give me extra food and force me to eat it.

Suddenly so many things make sense.

Food bills are a problem though. Must bake some more bread soon.
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« Reply #22 on: 00:20:53, 04-09-2008 »

The thing that leaps out of these lists is the relative affluence of the places in the lists.  The slim list contains mostly affluent places (apart from Tower Hamlets and Lambeth, which, being London boroughs with a significant ethnic mix and pockets of substantial affluence, may show a skew in the results); the places in the fat list, notably less so, with a lot of former industrial areas with high unemployment. 
I forget where, but I read recently that perhaps for the first time in history, in the late 20th century and early 21st century, obesity has become associated with poverty!
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« Reply #23 on: 08:05:43, 04-09-2008 »

Obesity and poverty do go together.  You can suffer from malnutrition and obesity at the same time if you just eat stodgy cheap fillers and live on chips and bread etc.  Insufficient vitamins, minerals.  They stock up on the cheapest usually starchy or fatty foods and these are the most fattening anyway. 
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« Reply #24 on: 10:05:04, 04-09-2008 »

Only in the West, though: and that's due to commercial exploitation of the fact that most people have little opportunity to produce any of their own food by growing it, and less interest in (and possibly less time to give to) producing it from scratch. Almost anyone who shops in a supermarket will be aware just how much pre-packaged processed food the average family still stocks up with; sugars and salt as well as fats forming a large part of the recipes of most of these items. Western living is more sedentary, too: there's less walking, more sitting: even the average child's playing will be less energetic than that of the generation before. More calories in, fewer calories burnt equals more fat stored in the body: it's as simple as that.
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« Reply #25 on: 10:55:31, 04-09-2008 »

Almost anyone who shops in a supermarket will be aware just how much pre-packaged processed food the average family still stocks up with; sugars and salt as well as fats forming a large part of the recipes of most of these items. Western living is more sedentary, too: there's less walking, more sitting: even the average child's playing will be less energetic than that of the generation before. More calories in, fewer calories burnt equals more fat stored in the body: it's as simple as that.

Precisely so:  sugar, fat and salt are cheap, and as early as the 1930's Orwell noted how sugary food was the only cheap luxury available to poor families.

And one of the most insidious changes in our society is, quite literally, how immobile we have become.  Over the long term, the cost of motoring has fallen dramatically (and, despite what you read in the tabloids, motoring in real terms is far cheaper than it was twenty or even ten years ago) and planning policy has quite consciously promoted car use, with the big supermarket chains being some of the worst villains in this respect.  So we walk and cycle far less, and increased traffic has meant that even though road casualties have fallen, fewer people feel happy cycling, or letting their children walk, so the circle becomes vicious.  Increased car use brings big problems of community severance - a busy main road is a huge psychological as well as physical barrier. 

(Meanwhile, public transport costs have increased hugely over the same time, and in some areas has largely disappeared, with the effect that the poorest third of society who do not have access to a car have less to spend once they get to the shops and are more inclined to buy in bulk, going for packaged food as a result).
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« Reply #26 on: 11:07:52, 04-09-2008 »

More calories in, fewer calories burnt equals more fat stored in the body: it's as simple as that.

It amazes me how many people don't "get" this simple fact. People go on the weirdest diets, buy all kind of slimming aids and specially-marketed (often fraudulently marketed) snacks and foods, and really there is only one thing they need to know:

Eat less calories than you burn and you will lose weight!

Why does slimming seem like rocket science to some people?

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« Reply #27 on: 11:10:25, 04-09-2008 »

More calories in, fewer calories burnt equals more fat stored in the body: it's as simple as that.

It amazes me how many people don't "get" this simple fact. People go on the weirdest diets, buy all kind of slimming aids and specially-marketed (often fraudulently marketed) snacks and foods, and really there is only one thing they need to know:

Eat less calories than you burn and you will lose weight!

Why does slimming seem like rocket science to some people?



Nutrition is actually easy:

Eat plenty of fruit, veg and fibre
Moderate your intake of sugar, fat and salt
Drink plenty of fluids
Moderate your alcohol intake
Take exercise - walking is all you need

But there is clearly an awful lot of money to be made by selling this or that diet plan, often using the most bogus science, with the authors in some notorious cases affecting academic handles to which they are not entitled:

http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/ms-gillian-mckeith-banned-from-calling-herself-a-doctor/



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« Reply #28 on: 11:16:38, 04-09-2008 »

Eat less calories than you burn and you will lose weight!

Why does slimming seem like rocket science to some people?

Mutatis mutandis, that is one of the principles of rocket science isn't it? Smiley
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« Reply #29 on: 11:19:31, 04-09-2008 »

More calories in, fewer calories burnt equals more fat stored in the body: it's as simple as that.

It amazes me how many people don't "get" this simple fact. People go on the weirdest diets, buy all kind of slimming aids and specially-marketed (often fraudulently marketed) snacks and foods, and really there is only one thing they need to know:

Eat less calories than you burn and you will lose weight!

Why does slimming seem like rocket science to some people?


Gentlemen, your basic premise is correct: eat less, lose weight. However, it is definitely not as simple as that. You have to take into account that eating can be an addictive disorder, particularly in times of emotional discomfort. You have to factor in the psychology of eating and addiction to see why it is so much harder to get the weight off than if you just look at the 'less calories' view.

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